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What are the sin, tan, cos rules eg +180?

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Reply 20
Original post by blueray
I know you use the quadratics to get (2 sin x -1)(sin x +3)= 0

But how did they get there?? I never used quadratics with sinx in it .... I have only done it with numbers. :s-smilie:


Moving on
Can you show me the degree marks on the quadrent? I know it's 30 degrees in the first quad, no problem :smile:

I know sin is also in second quadrent (I know using CAST)

But why do you do 180 - 30? ---- Its because 30 degrees is positive so therefore sin is positive so you use 180 - x
Reply 21
Original post by raheem94
See the image below,



Oh yeah I remember now :biggrin: And the same would apply with Tan and Cos (those 2 lines) if it was say 270 degrees?

Can you help answer the quadratic part of the question? :smile:
Original post by blueray
I know you use the quadratics to get (2 sin x -1)(sin x +3)= 0

But how did they get there?? I never used quadratics with sinx in it .... I have only done it with numbers. :s-smilie:


Moving on
Can you show me the degree marks on the quadrent? I know it's 30 degrees in the first quad, no problem :smile:

I know sin is also in second quadrent (I know using CAST)

But why do you do 180 - 30?
Why not 180 + 30?


maths 2.GIF

because 180 + 30 is not in the second quadrant. It will be in the third quadrant, hence that would not be the right step.

As i said previously, with sin, your two positive values must be in the first and second quadrant.
Reply 23
Original post by James A
maths 2.GIF

because 180 + 30 is not in the second quadrant. It will be in the third quadrant, hence that would not be the right step.

As i said previously, with sin, your two positive values must be in the first and second quadrant.


Oh yeah this is because CAST involves POSITIVE values! :biggrin: !!!!!! :woo: Thanks

All these questions are linking in and making sense! :h:

I know you use the quadratics to get (2 sin x -1)(sin x +3)= 0

Can you help me on the first part though? :smile:
But how did they get there?? I never used quadratics with sinx in it .... I have only done it with numbers.
Original post by blueray
Oh yeah this is because CAST involves POSITIVE values! :biggrin: !!!!!! :woo: Thanks

All these questions are linking in and making sense! :h:

I know you use the quadratics to get (2 sin x -1)(sin x +3)= 0

Can you help me on the first part though? :smile:
But how did they get there?? I never used quadratics with sinx in it .... I have only done it with numbers.




Wait hang on, first part?

do you mean part i?
Reply 25
Right the reason why its sin 180 - x is because the 30 degrees that you worked out is positive not negative and on your CAST diagram you have S, A, T, C going clockwise. Because the 30 is positive A and S are also + so you substitute 30 in x in both S and A as C and T will be negative. Hope that helps. So it becomes x = 180 - 30 and x = 30
Helps if you've seen a graph of these circular functions plotted.

Circular as opposed to hyperbolic, something you'll learn later in conic sections.

Sin is an odd function, ie sin -x=-sin x
Cos is an even function, cos(x)=cos(-x), it's symmetrical about the y-axis
Tan is also odd
Reply 27
Original post by dugdugdug
Helps if you've seen a graph of these circular functions plotted.

Circular as opposed to hyperbolic, something you'll learn later in conic sections.

Sin is an odd function, ie sin -x=-sin x
Cos is an even function, cos(x)=cos(-x), it's symmetrical about the y-axis
Tan is also odd


Does that mean they are both symetrical around the y axis?
Because if thats the case so is sin

Look at this

Reply 28
Original post by James A
Wait hang on, first part?

do you mean part i?


No I mean what steps did you use to work out sinx = 1/2
Reply 29
And fqctorising with sinx is the same as with normal numbers. It may be easier to factorise the brackets using 'x' and then writing in sinx when you find the answer!
Original post by blueray
No I mean what steps did you use to work out sinx = 1/2


that was just a general example. nothing to do with the real question
Reply 31
Original post by blueray
Oh yeah I remember now :biggrin: And the same would apply with Tan and Cos (those 2 lines) if it was say 270 degrees?

Can you help answer the quadratic part of the question? :smile:


Your quadratic is, 2sin2x+5sinx3=0 \displaystyle 2sin^2x+5sinx-3=0

Let y=sinx \displaystyle y=sinx

So the equation can be written as,
2y2+5y3=0 \displaystyle 2y^2+5y-3=0

Now factorise the quadratic.
Reply 32
Original post by raheem94
Your quadratic is, 2sin2x+5sinx3=0 \displaystyle 2sin^2x+5sinx-3=0

Let y=sinx \displaystyle y=sinx

So the equation can be written as,
2y2+5y3=0 \displaystyle 2y^2+5y-3=0

Now factorise the quadratic.


You can just replace sin x like that?!
y=sinx \displaystyle y=sinx

I thought that wasn't allowed???
Reply 33
Original post by blueray
You can just replace sin x like that?!
y=sinx \displaystyle y=sinx

I thought that wasn't allowed???


It is allowed but at the at the end you will again write it as sinx.
Solving the quadratic will give you, (2x1)(x+3)=0    (2sinx1)(sinx+3)=0 \displaystyle (2x-1)(x+3)=0 \implies (2sinx-1)(sinx+3)=0
Reply 34
Original post by raheem94
It is allowed but at the at the end you will again write it as sinx.
Solving the quadratic will give you, (2x1)(x+3)=0    (2sinx1)(sinx+3)=0 \displaystyle (2x-1)(x+3)=0 \implies (2sinx-1)(sinx+3)=0


Thanks :biggrin:
Original post by blueray
Does that mean they are both symetrical around the y axis?
Because if thats the case so is sin

Look at this



No, I mean get a graphical calculator (or excel) and plot sin x, cos x and tan x to see what they look like.

It's commonly known as sinusoidal (obviously), a wave like pattern.

Go to google and type in sine graph.
(edited 12 years ago)
Reply 36
Original post by dugdugdug
No, I mean get a graphical calculator (or excel) and plot sin x, cos x and tan x to see what they look like.

It's commonly known as sinusoidal (obviously), a wave like pattern.

Go to google and type in sine graph.


Below are the graphs, if anyone wants to see them.

Original post by raheem94
I think you mean these:
sinx=sin(x±360)[br]cosx=cos(x±360)[br]cosx=cos(x)[br]sinx=sin(180x)[br]tanx=tan(x±180)[br] \displaystyle sinx = sin(x\pm 360) [br]\displaystyle cosx=cos(x\pm 360)[br]\displaystyle cosx=cos(-x)[br]\displaystyle sinx=sin(180-x)[br]\displaystyle tanx=tan(x\pm 180)[br]

Hey, I’ve started maths and further maths this year can you explain to me what does this indicate and when they are used?
Reply 38
Original post by Aesriva
Hey, I’ve started maths and further maths this year can you explain to me what does this indicate and when they are used?

For your information, this is a 12 year old thread, so try to make a new post instead of bumping this. I'm also a Y12 studying maths and further maths I think the author of that post is listing some of the trig 'rules.' My knowledge on A-Level trig is limited but I'll try to explain. Basically, sine and cosine repeat every 360 degrees and tangent repeats every 180 degrees, cos (-x) = cosx (reflecting cosine in the y axis gives the same result), sinx = sin (-x±180) (reflecting sin where the x co-ordinate is ±180 gives the same result). There's nothing more it than that I think.

Also, I'm pretty sure [ br ] is line break in case that confused you.
(edited 2 weeks ago)

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