Does the 'special relationship' between US/UK exist?

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No. It is a figment of the British, and not American, imagination.

Good God.........as from next October you'll all need biometric data entered into your passports and an interview in the US Embassy in London just to come see Mickey!
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Title says it all.
Yes Americans love our royal family and our castles.
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Bush Bums Blair
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No. It is a figment of the British, and not American, imagination.

Good God.........as from next October you'll all need biometric data entered into your passports and an interview in the US Embassy in London just to come see Mickey!
I think there are high level talks going on to solve that problem so I doubt that will ever happen.

As for the special relationship, I think one stills exists you only have to look how closely the intelligence agencies cooperate. Also how many countries have the tomahawk cruise missile and the trident system, some of America's most sophisticated weapon systems?
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I think there are high level talks going on to solve that problem so I doubt that will be ever happen.

As for the special relationship, I think one stills exists you only have to look how closely the intelligence agencies cooperate. Also how many countries have the tomahawk cruise missile and the trident system, some of America's most sophisticated weapon systems?
Well, at government level you are certainly right.

As for public perception of the "special relationship" I'd say it is a lot more acute in the UK than it is in the US.
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What about the time when Donald Rumsfield got up and said something along the lines of "We really don't need the British, we can do it alone just fine, why are we waiting again?" This at the same time Tony Blair is *putting himself under a huge pressure to get British support for the war.
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Howard, do you think it's ever likely that some sort of free trading agreement could be setup between the US and Britain?
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Well, at government level you are certainly right.

As for public perception of the "special relationship" I'd say it is a lot more acute in the UK than it is in the US.
That is right but Americans tend not to be too interested in world wide affairs so have very little interest in this sort of thing, after all only 10% of Americans have passports.
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What about the time when Donald Rumsfield got up and said something along the lines of "We really don't need the British, we can do it alone just fine, why are we waiting again?" This at the same time Tony Blair is *putting himself under a huge pressure to get British support for the war.
Well, he was probably talking from a practical point of view. Militarily, the US didn't actually NEED the UK in Iraq and could have handled it alone.

Lord knows, we're talking about a country that is targeting to recruit 290,000 soldiers into the Army this year alone. What's that? 3 times the UK's total? In one year?
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Howard, do you think it's ever likely that some sort of free trading agreement could be setup between the US and Britain?
Errrr.... well they're both members of the WTO so theoretically there shouldn't really be a need for for one.....
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That is right but Americans tend not to be too interested in world wide affairs so have very little interest in this sort of thing, after all only 10% of Americans have passports.
That's true enough.
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Howard, do you think it's ever likely that some sort of free trading agreement could be setup between the US and Britain?
They do trade freely, save the odd steel embargo!
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They do trade freely, save the odd steel embargo!
..and banana's and beef and music and FSC's and the little matter of the Bird Amendment but yes......
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If it rains heavy in the US then expect floods over here in the UK
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Howard, do you think it's ever likely that some sort of free trading agreement could be setup between the US and Britain?
It will take along time, they couldn't even agree on a relatively simple open skies agreement. I think Gordon Brown wants it so the two governments are at least talking about it.
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..and banana's and beef and music and FSC's and the little matter of the Bird Amendment but yes......
Byrd (not Bird :rolleyes: ) which of course Bush is trying to repeal.
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It did rather come across, (and was reported as) effectively saying "Who is this annoying puny country trying to get involved? what on earth do they want?"

As for the trade, the steel tariffs and embargoes meant a shitload to us, alot of people here were not at all amused. We look within europe for trade on the whole, with a bit of work, perhaps we could look to the US for a similar relationship, so they too could effectively be seen as 'right on our doorstep.'
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Byrd (not Bird :rolleyes: ) which of course Bush is trying to repeal.
Damn American spellings :rolleyes:. (I'm sick, have some pity)

Regardless of what Bush claims he wants though, it's been found contrary to WTO rules and a year later is still in place. We'll see what happens.

And no, Britain couldn't sign a bilateral trade agreement with the States, not while it remains as an EU member at least.
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