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I'm surprised that the Libertarians didn't submit more as a party, but I'm sure they'll pick up.

Bar that, well done everybody! :party: :party2:
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I missed this from earlier. I'm an FA in the PS Help forum so all the subforums within that area.
Ah gotcha.
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Update?

Just in regards to bills and motions which have made it vote and passed so far, we see the following...

Government: 1 Point (1 motion)
Opposition: 5 Points (1 motion, 2 bills)

I excluded Jpkc as a member of the government for the purposes of the fair pay bill.

I would also add that 3 bills and 1 motion sponsored by the government have already passed the 25 votes mark although polls are not yet closed, so i hope the opposition will enjoy their short lead.
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I make it...
Government: 3 bills, 2 motions, 1 amendment.
Opposition: 1.25 bills, 0.25 motions.
Other parties: 0.75 bills, 0.75 motions.

In terms of items passed in the Division Lobby. When things get co-sponsored it's easier to decimalise so as not to distort the results.
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(Original post by JPKC)
I make it...
Government: 3 bills, 2 motions, 1 amendment.
Opposition: 1.25 bills, 0.25 motions.
Other parties: 0.75 bills, 0.75 motions.

In terms of items passed in the Division Lobby. When things get co-sponsored it's easier to decimalise so as not to distort the results.
I just batched the opposition together.

At any rate, well done to the opposition and ourselves.
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If you're going to separate opposition, it's only fair you split govt. After all, if Labour, Lib Dem and the Socialists all collaborated, but only got 0.33 points per motion, but the Conservatives, UKIP, and JPKC all collaborate and get the full point, that seems more than a little unfair.

Con: 1 bill, 0.66 motions, 0.33 amendments
UKIP: 1 bill, 0.66 motions, 0.33 amendments
Lab: 1.25 bills, 0.25 motions

Would be how you'd do it if you were going to do it that way.
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I think that the best way to do it, is for Metrobeans to collate as he does for the normal activity bill and motion releases and in regards to what passes just group government and opposition (in cases where Jpkc releases a PMB with you guys it would count as an opposition bill since the only way he would require you guys is if the government rejected it).
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(Original post by TopHat)
If you're going to separate opposition, it's only fair you split govt. After all, if Labour, Lib Dem and the Socialists all collaborated, but only got 0.33 points per motion, but the Conservatives, UKIP, and JPKC all collaborate and get the full point, that seems more than a little unfair.

Con: 1 bill, 0.66 motions, 0.33 amendments
UKIP: 1 bill, 0.66 motions, 0.33 amendments
Lab: 1.25 bills, 0.25 motions

Would be how you'd do it if you were going to do it that way.
That's not completely accurate because under this Government the coalesced parties and myself work together from the offset in producing and tweaking bills in the same way a whole party would. It also doesn't take into account the fact that the Tories, myself and UKIP have a very similar number of MPs to the Opposition, even with two parties and an indie.
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(Original post by JPKC)
That's not completely accurate because under this Government the coalesced parties and myself work together from the offset in producing and tweaking bills in the same way a whole party would. It also doesn't take into account the fact that the Tories, myself and UKIP have a very similar number of MPs to the Opposition, even with two parties and an indie.
And the same goes for us. For example, Labour was the entire source of the Condemnation of Deportation Motion. The other parties signed on, but they didn't write it, nor suggest amendments. It is disingenuous to give Labour 0.25 for that, just as it is disingenuous to separate the Govt (which is my point).
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This is such a silly topic to bicker about because we're all right.
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Why does it matter what passes, when we're focussing on activity?
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(Original post by JPKC)
I make it...
Government: 3 bills, 2 motions, 1 amendment.
Opposition: 1.25 bills, 0.25 motions.
Other parties: 0.75 bills, 0.75 motions.

In terms of items passed in the Division Lobby. When things get co-sponsored it's easier to decimalise so as not to distort the results.

(Original post by jesusandtequila)
Why does it matter what passes, when we're focussing on activity?
I agree with J&T. The objective of this challenge is to detail what is brought before the House and not what passes.
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No harm in quantifying both, especially as i aim to win both although the official challenege is just based around the initial activity.
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I personally don't care, I only commented because if people are going to have a contest they may as well have a fair one.
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Thanks for the update reminder! I'd been wrapped up in newspaper stuff and rl, but I'll do the update tonight.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Update?

Just in regards to bills and motions which have made it vote and passed so far, we see the following...

Government: 1 Point (1 motion)
Opposition: 5 Points (1 motion, 2 bills)

I excluded Jpkc as a member of the government for the purposes of the fair pay bill.

I would also add that 3 bills and 1 motion sponsored by the government have already passed the 25 votes mark although polls are not yet closed, so i hope the opposition will enjoy their short lead.
Why are you being so competitive about this? Of course I'd rather have more bills/motions passed, but I'm not totally concentrated on beating the government. I'd rather put out a respectable number of good bills and be proud of my party than solely release bills to beat other parties. I believe that any amount of activity is good activity.
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Thanks for updating us. I do also believe this is about activity and not who won on ayes and noes. Activity is always the main concern in the house and I believe it to be taken very seriously...
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Week 2 results (16th - 22nd April inclusive)

TSR Government: 1 Motion
TSR Labour: 1 bill
TSR Liberal Democrat: 1 motion
TSR Libertarian: 2 bills, 1 motion
TSR Socialist: Zero

Private member congrats go to MacCuishy, stanlas and internetguru

Congratulations to the TSR Libertarian for winning Week 2! The Socialists have got some catching up to do. This makes the overall total so far:

Overall total after two weeks


TSR Government: 4 bills, 4 motions (12 points)

TSR Labour Party: 4 bills, 3 motions, (11 points)

TSR Liberal Democrat Party: 4 bills, 2 motions (10 points)

TSR Libertarian Party: 2 bills, 2 motions (6 points)

TSR Socialist Party: 1 bill, 1 motion (3 points)
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(Original post by Metrobeans)
Week 2 results (16th - 22nd April inclusive)

TSR Government: 1 Motion
TSR Labour: 1 bill
TSR Liberal Democrat: 1 motion
TSR Libertarian: 2 bills, 1 motion
TSR Socialist: Zero

Private member congrats go to MacCuishy, stanlas and internetguru

Congratulations to the TSR Libertarian for winning Week 2! The Socialists have got some catching up to do. This makes the overall total so far:

Overall total after two weeks


TSR Government: 4 bills, 4 motions (12 points)

TSR Labour Party: 4 bills, 3 motions, (11 points)

TSR Liberal Democrat Party: 4 bills, 2 motions (10 points)

TSR Libertarian Party: 1 motion (6 points)

TSR Socialist Party: 1 bill, 1 motion (3 points)
The Libers have submitted more than that!
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The Libers have submitted more than that!
Yep you have! I had the points right, but the total needed amending.
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