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Why the HELL is America still in Afghan?

America has no right to be in Afghanistan. Why are they even there? They are escalating the situation.

GET THE F OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS YOU IDIOTS.

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Reply 1

sword

do you want the taliban to regain power

Reply 2

Durido

Sorry , but the western alliance powers have been there for just over a decade by now. If the Taliban were to regain power right after we left what does this have to say about the progress that we made ? If you look at the factual evidence published by the UN what seems to emerge is that little has changed on humanitarian issues which would suggest the conclusion that it is a waste of resources. We should work to get out within a reasonable time (2013-2014)

Reply 3

criminal

Original post by sword

do you want the taliban to regain power

NATO presence is fuelling the growth of the Taliban. They are creating more hate in the hearts of the young generation of children in Afghanistan. Nobody can actually give me a valid answer as to why NATO is in Afghanistan. The reason for that is because there is no answer to give. The West have no right there and should mind their own business. Its also strange how the level of opium being exported has significantly increased after we invaded Afghanistan?

Reply 4

M4LLY

Erm, to stop us lot getting attacked by al-quaeda perhaps?

Reply 5

username818763

Apparently we are also there to promote democracy, what right does the west have to invade a country and 'promote democracy' , let them sort out their own problems, the war in Afghanistan is a failure , even soldiers and military officials admit this .

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Reply 6

docwannabe

I know it pisses me off too. It's because bossy old America (American government) simply thinks they are the rulers of the world. :angry:

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Reply 7

Clez

because America have never had an empire, and thus they see fit to stick their troops in as many foreign countries with names which most western civilians won't know or care about enough to protest over.

also, theyve been there for so long now and have accomplished so little, it would be embarrassing in front of the rest of the global powers if they pulled out now

Reply 8

docwannabe

Original post by sword

do you want the taliban to regain power

Do you seriously think America is trying to help?!!!!!!!!

Reply 9

Clez

also, the number of bases and military infrastructure there, it would be a good staging area for any future war/invasion of China

Reply 10

Vikitora

Yes, they are afraid of terrorists and yes, it is all about preventing groupings resident in Afghanistan from attacking America. It is not about promoting democracy or protecting other countries or even preventing a fictional(!) cold war. It's about "rebuilding" a country by enforcing western ideals onto it so as to prevent America to be attacked.

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Reply 11

KCosmo

Since we've released the timetable for withdrawal, the taliban are just waiting it out until then to swoop back in. The Afghan army/police forces have proved to be ridiculously easy to infiltrate by the taliban, mostly due to the fact that a significant proportion of the Afghan's support them.

In terms of Al Quaeda, they were flushed out within three months of coalition troops hitting the ground.

Reply 12

sword

Original post by criminal

what if all nato troops left tomorrow, what do you think would happen

Reply 13

Nick100

Original post by criminal

NATO is there to prevent the Taliban from overpowering the Afghan government. NATO countries, particularly America, have strict anti-drug laws which means that anyone who wants to grow opium must ally with the Taliban. If they turned a blind eye to the drug trade it would be easier to establish control.

And "mind their own business" is what the Taliban should do. Unfortunately, they are trying to recreate a totalitarian government in Afghanistan and therefore must be killed.

Reply 14

username818763

Original post by Vikitora

Yes, they are afraid of terrorists and yes, it is all about preventing Afghanistan to attack America. It is not about promoting democracy or protecting other countries or even preventing a fictional(!) cold war. It's about "rebuilding" a country by enforcing western ideals onto it so as to prevent America to be attacked.

Do you really believe that afghans who are willing to fight against the west are willing to give up their traditions and values.

Reply 15

Darth Stewie

Currently the mission of all western forces is to help Afghanistan to reconstruct its infrastructure, economy and institutions so it is able to suppress the extremists within its own country that pose a serious threat to the entire world if they were ever to get back in power. Provincial Reconstruction Teams are currently working on this and have made a great deal of progress.

for instance here are some of the achievements by UK led PRTs:

In 2001 only a million children were in school, all boys. Today there are 6.6 million, more than a third girls and the figure is expected to hit eight million by 2013

Since 2001, infant mortality rates have improved from a very low base with immunisation programmes saving 35,000 lives a year.

In Helmand we have helped set up Justice Committees to provide access to justice, promote peace and strengthen links between communities and the Government. A central theme is to provide counseling for women and children who have suffered most under the old system.

The Helmand PRT has also, along with other civilian organisations, funded Governor Mangal's first provincial counter-narcotics strategy in which 32,000 farmers received wheat seed, as part of a process of transition to legal livelihoods (The PRT also helped establish Helmand 's first legal aid office in November 2008)

GDP per capita has increased by over 70 per cent since 2002.

Ontop of these things the UK has committed £510m for development in Afghanistan over the next four years with the possibility of more help afterwards.

The truth is Afghanistan has the potential to contribute in a big way to the world especially in the fields of mining (particularly lithium) and if fully utilized could change Afghanistan into an incredibly prosperous nation. Also the geographical position of Afghanistan is particularly useful to us so having them as allies is not a bad thing. If the Taliban get back in power it will once again become a backwards 3rd world crap hole, if you think the best thing for the Afghani people is for the west to pull out now and leave them at the hands of extremists who will start taking over you quite honestly are a moron or completely deluded.

Have our plans for Afghanistan gone perfectly? No, but we are a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

Reply 16

Vikitora

Do you know ANYTHING about Afghan history'? man, who SUBSIDISED the Talibans in the first place "to let the Russians bleed"?

Additionally, I believe that the majority of you guys have been majorly brainwashed by society. Think about it. You seem to have forgotten how to question things....

Reply 17

Vikitora

Well, you see: that's the point aarnob, I mean.. the point is that they are not! Which is why the whole mission of "westernisation" is a load of useless codswallop and was a failure in the first place.

Reply 18

Sweyn Forkbeard

Original post by criminal

America has no right to be in Afghanistan. Why are they even there? They are escalating the situation.

GET THE F OUT OF AFGHANISTAN. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS YOU IDIOTS.

Discuss.

Whether or not anyone has a "right" to be in Afghanistan is an interesting question which could spark intelligent debate, but in answer to what I believe to be your argument:

How old were you when the initial invasion took place? As I recall there was almost unanimous support for it in 2001. The initial objectives were to capture/kill Osama bin Laden and to topple the regime which had harboured and supported him (i.e. the Taliban). Obviously they didn't get bin Laden until last year but physically toppling the regime at the time was quite easy given the lack of anything really resembling a regular Afghan Army.

The thing is, this presented a problem. A somewhat unpragmatic American administration recognised that to defeat the Afghan military and remove the government would not actually defeat the Taliban or destroy terrorist training camps, nor create conditions where a stable government would establish itself. Their solution was to occupy the country and attempt to create an administration modelled after a democratic fashion, and train a large police force and regular army so that this administration would survive. It was hoped that NATO could create a relatively secure Afghanistan with a strong government so that terrorist organisations would find it a less attractive place to set up HQ.

In theory this was an idea that could work but Afghanistan is such a place that any attempt to enforce "regime change" or establish a centralised system of governance is doomed to fail. The history of the region (I hesitate to describe it as a "nation" or even a state) is a long tale of failed foreign interventions and attempts to incorporate it into this empire or that, with governments usually having little control beyond the immediate surroundings of their capital.

America and NATO I believe had good intentions in going into Afghanistan but they did not learn from history or they were arrogant enough to think they could do better than previous "conquerors". I agree that the best thing would be for them to leave (over time) but there is too much at stake politically. If you make a promise to achieve something on the back of a massive terrorist attack on your own soil, and 11 years down the line you're struggling to make good on that achievement, it is very difficult to back down. After all, America has poured resources into their efforts and they don't want to write it all off as a waste. I think they realise that their extended occupation has actually led to a Taliban resurgence. They're not that stupid.

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Reply 19

Arbolus

Original post by criminal

Thats what they keep telling you, and you keep believing it. Do you really think that a few idiots with beards wearing slippers and holding old 7.62mm rifles can attack London? You gullible, naive little child. You honestly seem like a misinformed 11 year old. You know what? I'm not going to even bother arguing with you. Its blatant that your mind is already filled with absolute rubbish. Go and read a book or two, you idiot!

Firstly, insulting people won't do anything apart from stop others from taking you seriously.

Secondly, yes they could. Remember the July 2005 attacks, whose culprits were inspired and trained by Al-Qaeda and other such militant groups? Remember 9/11, which was directly coordinated by Osama bin Laden? If we give the terrorists an entire country to prepare their attacks from then there's no limit to what they might come up with.

The fact is that the Afghan government is weak, and if NATO withdraws now then the Taliban will be back in charge within a year. If, as you claim, the majority of Afghans already hate us then staying for a bit longer won't hurt relations any further, but if on the contrary they are only loyal to the Taliban because of fear then it gives us a chance to relieve them. Either way, the aim is that by the time we do withdraw the government will be strong enough to fight off the Taliban on its own.