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Lying at an interview, now holding an offer.

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You would not do well in prison...
Original post by Surprises!

P.S: I don't want any replies telling me that this isn't any of my business


What an arse.
Original post by Surprises!
I know somebody who lied about everything at their MMI interview, from their extra curricular activities to what they did and experienced and who they met at their work experience placements, and i'm not sure what to do about it.

I've known this for a week (she told me) and it's really bothering me. I truly believe that she doesn't deserve the offer because doctors should be honest and trustworthy, and lying about every minute detail about ones application,and getting away with it, is not, so I feel inclined to notify the admissions team and allow them deal with it (if).
Should I?

P.S: I don't want any replies telling me that this isn't any of my business - it bothers me that she's lied about so much, and subsequently holds an offer. It's almost as if the interviewers met a mask instead of the person and I feel like she's snatched an offer away from other potential borderline applicants who may or may not have excelled at their interview.


Have you never told a lie before?

If you do tell, just make sure everything else you do following this is 100% correct, otherwise you won't have done yourself (and your friend) any justice.
Original post by Surprises!
I know somebody who lied about everything at their MMI interview, from their extra curricular activities to what they did and experienced and who they met at their work experience placements, and i'm not sure what to do about it.

I've known this for a week (she told me) and it's really bothering me. I truly believe that she doesn't deserve the offer because doctors should be honest and trustworthy, and lying about every minute detail about ones application,and getting away with it, is not, so I feel inclined to notify the admissions team and allow them deal with it (if).
Should I?

P.S: I don't want any replies telling me that this isn't any of my business - it bothers me that she's lied about so much, and subsequently holds an offer. It's almost as if the interviewers met a mask instead of the person and I feel like she's snatched an offer away from other potential borderline applicants who may or may not have excelled at their interview.


I take it your a medicine reject then.
Original post by hoonosewot
How's that messed up :confused:


Pretty sure if you're good enough for cambridge you're good enough for other places without being rejected before interview?
Original post by Besakt
No I never lied on my application this however may be a lie or it may not be.
Unless you have never lied in your life you are not in a position to criticise.


Really necessary?
Original post by mrshinyshoes
Pretty sure if you're good enough for cambridge you're good enough for other places without being rejected before interview?


Well, no actually. That's the weird thing. Medicine isn't that straight forward.
Original post by mrshinyshoes
Pretty sure if you're good enough for cambridge you're good enough for other places without being rejected before interview?


Absolutely untrue.

Every school has their own desirable set of criteria and obviously that candidate met Cambridge's set but none of the others that they applied to.
Original post by gozatron
Absolutely untrue.

Every school has their own desirable set of criteria and obviously that candidate met Cambridge's set but none of the others that they applied to.


Pretty sure if he met cambridge's then he'd at least get interview at one other don't you think especially as an early applicant.
I've heard from people I know that some of their friends even forged documents in the form of A levels etc and gotten in medicine, lying like that is a skill and quite frankly if you don't possess it you need a life lesson, it might be wrong but the world is competitive, which leads me to the conclusion you are a socialist of some sort....the people who forged these documents ( I have no idea who they are) but they've become top doctors, some moved to canada etc and even when some of them got found out, they were allowed to keep their jobs. because just because you didn't lie doesn't mean you are going to be a great doctor, they base it on potential for most, so you have no right to snitch on her, just see what happens, or ignore her, she might just have said that to sound cool, as you have no conclusive proof. I never lied on mine personally, but then again I've already done every major hobby and had work experience...just for clarification
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Original post by mrshinyshoes
Pretty sure if he met cambridge's then he'd at least get interview at one other don't you think especially as an early applicant.


Without knowing what schools they applied to and their applicant profile you can't.
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BooAlphie
Would they take you seriously though? Like could you seriously call up and say this person lied in their application, etc etc. They might just ignore you anyway and then if your friend finds out you'll lose her too. Yes she lied but so did so many other people probably (and don't say you're just saying this coz you didn't get in- i havent applied yet) and if the uni didnt find out now they will later. The truth always comes out. Also maybe shes just bragging? Like "oh i said this and this and that i did work exp here and community service here and wrote a book on medicine haha they believed me" and she only just exaggarated a bit in her interview? You don't know what she did for sure so I wouldn't if I were you.

Still I can understand how you feel, so even if you did, i would understand. It really annoys me when people lie. Especially in this case where there are more deserving people.
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Original post by mrshinyshoes
Pretty sure if you're good enough for cambridge you're good enough for other places without being rejected before interview?


Doesn't work like that.
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Original post by mrshinyshoes
Really necessary?


Yes but maybe I'm lying about that too.
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Many people are claiming that it's small and petty, but think about it - there probably was decent person who did work hard did the work experience and deserves to do medicine - and this person took their place is that really fair?
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Original post by omlette
Whilst she told you she "lied" in her interview, the trouble is you weren't actually there in her interview to judge whether her answers were "lies" or not. Some people can be prone to selectively recalling only certain parts of an interview, so what could seem like "I lied my way through that" to her could actually be only the mild "embellishment" here or there. Especially in an MMI, where some stations can be based upon factual recall, questions that the interviewee might be expecting (eg. why medicine?), or problem solving/ role play that candidates can't prepare for fully. I'm sure "lying" would've only got her through so many stations. I don't think it's for you to go behind her back calling her out to admissions.


This ^

Only because she told you she lied, does not mean anything. Some people say things such as 'I lied/ I didn't revise etcetera..' to make it sound like they got away while doing ****-all. Whereas in reality, it's a completely different picture.
I'm going to lie on my PS when I apply this October, you going to report me too? :colone:
Original post by MissRiah12345
Well said blueray:smile:


Thanks :colondollar:
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EKJM
I think lying on an application is a serious thing, she's putting the people who put in hard work and dedication to their passion in healthcare at a severe disadvantage for her own personal selfish gain. To find cheating on an application acceptable is completely immoral and unethical.

On the other hand, there isn't much you can do. Pointed out earlier, you can't really prove it. The university might call up the work experience contacts and all but I have a feeling that won't lead to anywhere. I understand your concerns to protect the interests of the people who are honest with their applications (seriously, **** the people who think you're doing this because you're a medicine reject, you people are probably as immoral as the girl in question) but there are just too many people out there who lie and cheat their way through med school (and life).

If I were you, I won't take any action, simply because there isn't much you can do. However, the best you can do is to take pride that you have your own morals and ethics and work hard to obtain your goals in Medicine or elsewhere. Simply be a true-to-yourself person. Some day, either the guilt will get to her. Or for all you know, she would repeat this kind of behavior in a real life healthcare scenario. I think only then will she get her comeuppance :P

Truth and passion above all!
Original post by mrshinyshoes
Pretty sure if he met cambridge's then he'd at least get interview at one other don't you think especially as an early applicant.


No, Medicine is one of the few subjects where Oxbridge are no more competitive to get into than the other unis. They ask for the same grades as many other schools and actually have less applicants per place than many other schools as well.

Plus with the application system in medicine being so subjective, it's perfectly plausible someone could get one offer from any school and get rejected by the other 3.

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