My Personal Views On Homosexuality

De ja vu anyone?

Homosexuality is natural, paedophilia isnt.

We are designed not to be 'partaking' in paedophilia thus showing it is a disorder, it is not the same for homosexuality.

There are no other reasons needed.

Because paedophillia damages people, and homosexuality doesn't?

You seem to be implying we are designed to be 'partaking' in homosexuality...?

You can accept homosexuality and not paedophilia, because paedophilia involves forced sexual activity without consent, homosexuality does not (except in cases of rape and so on, but rape isn't a homosexual specific issue, far from it). Similarly, with incest, any children born out of it are at a very high chance of genetic issues due to the narrow gene pool involved.

You seem to be acting from a position that homosexuality is inherently negative, whether people are born gay, or it's down to environmental factors, or a mix of both, it doesn't really matter, it's not an inherently negative thing, and is a completely natural phenomena.

Is Elwyn your real name? It's beautiful.

It's obvious why one is outlawed and one isn't, there's nothing to be discussed there. I think the point is why is it acceptable to say a paedophile - not an active one, just someone that'd admit to being sexually interested in a child - has a mental illness and a gay person doesn't?

Presumably there is no definition of what is "normal" to be attracted to, as it's unacceptable to say a gay person isn't normal. However, people then bring their own morals into it and say paedophilia isn't "normal"; yet 5 seconds ago there was no definition of normal?

I don't have a problem with gays and I, obviously, don't think paedophiles should be allowed to be in a relationship with a kid, I just find that an interesting question. I think the OP is just trying to wind people up though of course!

Firstly these are my views. I have the right and I am entitled to have my views regarding this subject especially as it is always under constant mass scrutiny. Just because you do not agree with me does not mean my rights should be compromised. It is my intention to promote positive discussion of the topic and my points.

Some argue homosexuality is not a choice, one does not choose their sexual orientation. I disagree with that statement because this can also apply to other situations. A lot of people including some scientific researchers also say paedophilia is not chosen by an individual. My issue with this is if society is to accept homosexuals on the basis that they have no choice, then why punish and criminalise paedophiles as they also have no choice?

Humans are limited in their choice, we 'cant' decide what we want. We are designed in a way, this information is stored in our DNA. Society can also have a strong say. Two siblings, a brother and a sister, cannot have a sexual relationship because it goes against etiquette of society and science. He cannot just say 'oh I love my sister, its not affecting you so whats your problem if i go out with her'. I therefore believe choice alone is not justification for homosexuality.

Furthermore if we are to accept the argument 'gays are born gay' we must investigate that claim and examine what it means for humanity. Under the assumption that the argument that they are born gay holds, then it is something which is affecting their ability to reproduce (as they are not attracted to the opposite sex). Then, it is in my belief that by definition of continuity of the human race we must find a way to prevent it as it is, technically speaking, a negative genetic mutation and must be addressed by doctors and medical researchers to preserve continuity.

These are some subjects which I feel strongly about. I am willing to debate issues regarding psychology, health and hygiene, communication, social impacts etc.

This topic is constant in media, social and professional circles. There will always be support for and against, I am simply against due to some points I outlined above. I should not be down voted because of my views (there are plenty of groups which are allowed to have a say no matter how 'wrong' some people think they are such as BNP EDL Extremist Muslims), rather I would like TSR to assess my points. This issue must be discussed if were are to find an eventual solution. I welcome feedback and further discussion.

Some argue homosexuality is not a choice, one does not choose their sexual orientation. I disagree with that statement because this can also apply to other situations. A lot of people including some scientific researchers also say paedophilia is not chosen by an individual. My issue with this is if society is to accept homosexuals on the basis that they have no choice, then why punish and criminalise paedophiles as they also have no choice?

Incest may not necessarily produce children, a couple can, just like a homosexual couple, have a sexual relationship without reproduction.

A previous comment said it is not anyone's business what two consenting adults do behind closed doors.

So I ask again if a brother and a sister maintain an incestuous sexual relationship with contraception (condom), is that acceptable under your argument and why?

(It is of personal opinion that I disagree with incest just as I disagree with homosexuality before anyone claims that I am promoting incest. It is just difficult to be against certain practises without being vilified)

Incest may not necessarily produce children, a couple can, just like a homosexual couple, have a sexual relationship without reproduction.

A previous comment said it is not anyone's business what two consenting adults do behind closed doors.

So I ask again if a brother and a sister maintain an incestuous sexual relationship with contraception (condom), is that acceptable under your argument and why?

(It is of personal opinion that I disagree with incest just as I disagree with homosexuality before anyone claims that I am promoting incest. It is just difficult to be against certain practises without being vilified)

Firstly these are my views. I have the right and I am entitled to have my views regarding this subject especially as it is always under constant mass scrutiny. Just because you do not agree with me does not mean my rights should be compromised. It is my intention to promote positive discussion of the topic and my points.


Some argue homosexuality is not a choice, one does not choose their sexual orientation. I disagree with that statement because this can also apply to other situations. A lot of people including some scientific researchers also say paedophilia is not chosen by an individual. My issue with this is if society is to accept homosexuals on the basis that they have no choice, then why punish and criminalise paedophiles as they also have no choice?

Adult homosexuals are not a problem in the same way as paedophiles (the ones that act on their orientation anyway), as children cannot make an informed choice to give consent, therefore, when a paedophile has sex with a child, it cannot be said that the child has consented, i.e. it's a crime. Consent can be given by homosexuals when the have sex, so I don't really see a use in comparing homosexuality to paedophilia

Humans are limited in their choice, we 'cant' decide what we want. We are designed in a way, this information is stored in our DNA. Society can also have a strong say. Two siblings, a brother and a sister, cannot have a sexual relationship because it goes against etiquette of society and science. He cannot just say 'oh I love my sister, its not affecting you so whats your problem if i go out with her'. I therefore believe choice alone is not justification for homosexuality.

I don't think we are necessarily as controlled by our genes or society in the way you seem to be suggesting - what I see in that paragraph is the suggestion that while we have a degree of choice, we are heavily influenced by our genes and society. I don't believe it's necessarily the case with our genes, but I do think there is a basis for this argument when it comes to society. As it happens the current trend for society seems to be one of "it's ok to be Gay" OR just not giving a damn about orientation - therefore, whether or not orientation is determined by genes or choice, I do think that to an extent, there is a choice in being openly homosexual today, as there is less of a stigma attached to it by society.

Furthermore if we are to accept the argument 'gays are born gay' we must investigate that claim and examine what it means for humanity. Under the assumption that the argument that they are born gay holds, then it is something which is affecting their ability to reproduce (as they are not attracted to the opposite sex). Then, it is in my belief that by definition of continuity of the human race we must find a way to prevent it as it is, technically speaking, a negative genetic mutation and must be addressed by doctors and medical researchers to preserve continuity.

An interesting proposition - I don't really know that much about genetics, or even a "Gay gene" but it does raise the interesting question about the purpose of such a gene (if it exists) in terms of evolution and so on. What I would say is that while if it exists, it does hamper the desire to reproduce and have offspring, I wouldn't say that it is something that has emerged as a result of evolution, and is something which merely appears as an anomaly in the endless replication of genetic code. Therefore, if that interpretation is correct, then there really isn't much you can do about it, even if you wanted to (past forcing people to either reproduce or donate sperm and egss in the name of reproduction). Bear in mind also that if a "Gay gene" exists, that it exists in everyone, it'll be expressed in some, and not in others - as it happens the vast majority are heterosexual, with only a minority being homosexual - if you consider the numbers of people who are homosexual v heterosexual...are they really much of a problem in terms of the continuation of humanity? I also think psychology plays a part in homosexuality as well... I don't think it's all nature.

These are some subjects which I feel strongly about. I am willing to debate issues regarding psychology, health and hygiene, communication, social impacts etc.

This topic is constant in media, social and professional circles. There will always be support for and against, I am simply against due to some points I outlined above. I should not be down voted because of my views (there are plenty of groups which are allowed to have a say no matter how 'wrong' some people think they are such as BNP EDL Extremist Muslims), rather I would like TSR to assess my points. This issue must be discussed if were are to find an eventual solution. I welcome feedback and further discussion.

Thatcher had it right on the issue. She said all these liberals everywhere were teaching children that they had an inherent right to be gay. Let them do what they want, I say, but don't let them adopt children for crying out loud.