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"Racist" lecturer at Manchester

The Commission for Racial Equality has stepped into a row over a university lecturer who claims that black people are, on average, less intelligent than whites.

Students at Leeds University have called for Dr Frank Ellis to be sacked. But the university says academics have the right to their personal opinions. It will not act unless the students produce evidence of prejudicial treatment, which they have not alleged.

The commission responded last night by demanding an inquiry into whether the lecturer's views had affected his assessment of students.

Dr Ellis, an expert in Russian literature in the department of modern languages and culture, told a student newspaper that he was a supporter of the late Enoch Powell, the Conservative MP who warned that immigration would lead to "rivers of blood". Dr Ellis also said he would support repatriation if it were done "humanely".

He told the Leeds Student that the British National Party was useful as "a canary" to warn the Government of views on multi-culturalism, which was doomed to failure because "it is based on the lie that all people, races and cultures are equal and that no one race or culture is better than any other".

The student union said it was horrified by Dr Ellis's views. Students are threatening to picket his lectures unless the university "takes all necessary action to remove him".

It said: "We are extremely concerned that students from ethnic minorities, who he claims are inferior, could face discrimination from Dr Ellis's presence on campus."

Dr Ellis said yesterday that while free speech was an issue, so was the question of whether it was true that some races were less intelligent than others for genetic and not environmental reasons.

"The people who want to denounce the evidence as racist or fascist or whatever the latest 'ism' is are trying to stop people considering the argument because they don't want it discussed," he said.

It is not the first time that Dr Ellis has been at the centre of a row. In March 2000 he attended a conference of far-Right groups in the United States where he attacked the findings of the inquiry into the death of Stephen Lawrence, the black teenager murdered on the streets of London in what the police treated as a racist attack.

He was also criticised for an article on the internet in which he states: "It is considered politically incorrect to say so, but were one to take the 'white' and the 'male' out of science and technology, one would have no science, just witchcraft, third world squalor, misery and mega-incompetence."

Dr Ellis said he stood by the statement. He denied that his views amounted to racism, saying they were based on scientific evidence.

The university issued a statement saying the views expressed by Dr Ellis in the student paper were "abhorrent".

But it added: "Dr Ellis has a right to his personal opinions but he does not have the right to treat students or colleagues in a prejudicial or discriminatory manner. The university has no evidence yet that this has happened."

A spokesman for the Commission for Racial Equality said public bodies were under a duty to promote good relations between people of different racial groups, to promote equality of opportunity between those groups and to eliminate unlawful racial discrimination.


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Reply 1

I hope they picket his lecturers. sounds like a ******
i hope the guy gets castrated :ts: :motz: and banned from every educational institution in the world. it is people like this the turn out to be the hitlers of the future...
Reply 3
that is shockin, i would not go to his lectures if he were my lecturer. im all for free speech but i also believe in profesionalism. if he wants those views, fine (not that i agree with them!) but he should not promote them through the newspaper, if fact, he should not promote them at all. he is in a senior position over many influential people, i dont see how the uni cant c that??

mind u, it sounds like they want to sack him, they are jus waitin for the right opportunity! hope they do.
Reply 4
I am a strong supporter of freedom of speech and that's why I feel that Europe is culturally amazing. However, academia is supposed to preach equality and discrimination should not have any place in a field such as this one. People like him do have the freedom of speech as we live in a free era however, like the University body said that if there is any prejudice in his manner of grading then he should be fired.
Reply 5
WokSz
academia is supposed to preach equality


Why exactly?

Being anti immigration does not make you a racist by default, and its perfectly possible to like people from other races yet wanting to preserve your own.
I never understood the whole “preserve your race" thing - but then I guess I’m a product of what happens when you don’t :/ which I like to think is a good thing :p:
Reply 7
if he were to have said black people are better at sports than white people would there be any fuss at all over this!?
esx77
if he were to have said black people are better at sports than white people would there be any fuss at all over this!?

Would you rather have someone say you're terrible at sport due to your colour, or you’re stupid because of your colour? ^o)
I haven't seen his research so I wouldn't like to comment on his views but I think he has the right to express his views. I can't see enything in the OP that would constitute racism. I stand by his right to these views and his right to express them and even to look down on other races but NOT to discriminate against other races based on his opinions and if he does prejudice and discriminate then he should be sacked but not until there is CONCRETE evidense of this.
Reply 10
Zakatu
Why exactly?

Being anti immigration does not make you a racist by default, and its perfectly possible to like people from other races yet wanting to preserve your own.


This kind of comments can quickly drift into racism.
Moreover the concept of "human races" is totally a nonsense. It is just scientificly unacceptable. It has been proved that there is only ONE race among people : THE human race. Otherwise how could you explain that whatever the countries two persons come from, they can reproduce together ?
So "preserve your own race" is, in my point view, just absurd.
By the way, I do hope that mankind will finally understand that miscegenation is a wonderful thing and an important way if we doesn't want to destroy ourselves.

Dimitri.
Reply 11
bluedreamer
Would you rather have someone say you're terrible at sport due to your colour, or you’re stupid because of your colour? ^o)


neither actually but thats not the point
esx77
neither actually but thats not the point

Tbh if it had been the other way round - i.e. if he was saying that black people are more intelligent than white people - I doubt that there would have been such a fuss. It's just a historically/culturally sensitive issue I guess, and his remarks were a bit inappropriate. Having said this, it seems that people are being accused of being racist whatever they say these days.
matt@internet
even to look down on other races

Ahh yes because he’s clearly superior :biggrin:
Reply 14
People don't look at it in the correct context when they use reverse racism to support their points. White people aren't the minority in western countries. A minority making racially offensive comments to the majority it very different, they can be largely ignored. If a white person were to start preaching white superiority in an easten country (lets say Japan) no one would care, or pay attention.
Reply 15
esx77
if he were to have said black people are better at sports than white people would there be any fuss at all over this!?

What facts he could have based on ? A lot of black people have won medals at the olympic games ? So he could have also said that white people are more clever than black people. We have just to refer to the nobel prices : most of them are white people. Once again, this comment would have been just absurd, whoever would have said it.
Reply 16
Well, obviously those of mixed races would never agree or perhaps understand the idea of racial homogeneity. (not meaning to sound harsh but the two are incompatible ideas).

I'm far as i know to be british means to be white. and more specifically people who have lived within these islands for at least a few hundred years.
Pav27
People don't look at it in the correct context when they use reverse racism to support their points. White people aren't the minority in western countries. A minority making racially offensive comments to the majority it very different, they can be largely ignored. If a white person were to start preaching white superiority in an easten country (lets say Japan) no one would care, or pay attention.

Very true, I didn't think of that. Although I think that people cry "racist" too easily these days, I think his citation of science being dominated by white people is rather a poor argument. We have the resources to be able to support scientific research, a lot of ethnic countries do not. It doesn't mean that they're any less intelligent than white people.
Firebird
If he'd said black people were more intelligent then it wouldn't have been racist :rolleyes:

Just read an article about "Baa Baa Black sheep" being changed to "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep". Bloody hell. Apparently saying that a sheep with a black coat is a black sheep is now racist.

Yeah, I heard about that. Utterly ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with the word "black", and to be that paranoid about it is completely stupid. When I have kids, I will be teaching them "Baa Baa Black Sheep" not "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep".
Reply 19
Zakatu
Well, obviously those of mixed races would never agree or perhaps understand the idea of racial homogeneity. (not meaning to sound harsh but the two are incompatible ideas).

I'm far as i know to be british means to be white. and more specifically people who have lived within these islands for at least a few hundred years.



Really ? Well, you must be right. There's only one thing which is disturbing me. Do you want to know what ? As far as I remember, the man the most known in History to have spoken about homogeneity of race is...hmm, let me see... I think he's Adolph Hitler. You can obviously see that it is disturbing (just a little :biggrin: , isn't it ?).
I'd say that I'm a bit worry about the future of mankind with odd specimens who think by this way...