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This is amazing thank you!
1. How long have they been offering Medicine at Milan for Brit students- do you know anyone who has come back to the UK to practice?
2. Do you do any PBL? or is it mostly lectures?
3. How do they teach anatomy?

Thanks and best of luck for the rest of the course x
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How much does the IMAT cost?
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How much does the IMAT cost?

120€ or 98£
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Laura: They may be lenient, but that is up to their discretion. Can't really help other than that! I wouldn't idly just send an email - get on the phone!!! It may take some time, as I know they are always ultra busy at this time of year, but try a few times a day perhaps.

Aisha: It not really a course "for brits" - its a course in English. This particular programme will now be entering its 3rd year - and so no, I do not know of anyone who has come back to the uk to practice - yet! The course was lectures with a few PBLs, but this may be changing soon. Anatomy is taught very theoretically - you use the anatomical texts out there for a lot of private study, and lectures are on gross, important topics. You will have a few practical sessions with skeleton models to study in groups - people study beforehand and come prepared.
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I am currently a student studying medicine in Milan, Italy, and am writing this to help any prospective students in their decision-making process! I will be talking a lot more subjectively on this topic, my personal decision-making process, and some general info with regards to my experience thus far.

The program I am enrolled on is the Medicine and surgery (medicina e chirurgia) program in English. It is a program run by the University of Milan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Milan) and is called the International Medical School (IMS), with everything being based at istituto clinico Humanitas.

Why I chose this course

The course is a 6 year degree in medicine, and all lectures are in English. I am currently a first year, with no previous knowledge of Italian.

Having researched the University itself, I found that the University of Milan has an international reputation - something important in my eyes when considering the future - It is considered one of the best in Italy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Milan). The degree is recognised in the UK (http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/regist...ence_italy.asp), and so I thought "Why not; the exam entrance fee is cheap, course is in English and is in Milan, Italy, rather than somewhere possibly more obscure - works to my advantage when applying internationally after graduating. What, tuition fees are no more than 4000 euros a year?!"

On the course, the lecturers are excellent (I have previously studied at Bristol and Nottingham - I graduated with an Msc in Immunology) in comparison with other top universities. The class sizes are small (50 in our year), and very international - we have about 15 Italians, 10 Israelis and 10 Brits, with others coming from Lebanon, Taiwan, South Korea, Germany, Sweden - you get the idea. The small class definitely helps in terms of student-professor rapport; we really get to know each other. This is almost unique in terms of the professor getting to know each student (Does not happen in the UK).

Literally today, one of our coursemates went and watched a surgery to fix an aortic aneurysm: again, does not happen in the UK. However, with Italy being a catholic country, dissections are illegal. Instead, as first year students, we already have our white coats, are shadowing doctors and sitting in at consultations (yes, knowing Italian is a benefit). Students have the option to go visit the ER over the weekends. All in all, it is very exciting (albeit the majority of our time is spent in lectures or studying in the library).

The course is moulded around other international models (e.g. Stanford etc etc), and I really do get the feeling that they have made an effort rather than just port over the Italian system and Googletranslate everything (I have heard other courses in English are doing this...). The lecturers are excellent, the material is theoretically challenging (as you would expect any decent medical school to be), proper patient interaction starts in the THIRD year, and the facility is amazing.

Lunches are subsidised (3 euros for a really good meal), we all have our own lockers, the teaching staff for our PBLs are all very experienced physicians, everything is pristine clean, and there seems to be one or two international conventions happening every week, and as students we are welcome to view them. State of the art equipment (e.g. really powerful PET scans), and the concept that if you contact the doctors beforehand, they will be more than happy to accommodate for one extra student on their rounds - some of the benefits of being a medical student here.

The hospital itself - Istituto clinico Humanitas (ICH) - is one of the best in Italy. It is a private hospital, with the capability to accommodate for patients on the national health service. With that being said, it has some of the best doctors and facilities around. I have been told that there is a 2:1 ratio of student to physician tutors (paid to be tutors). All the doctors I have met thus far have been more than supportive (a la coursemate today, who was asked whether he wanted to sit in on the aortic aneurysm surgery).
I have so far met intern residents from the US and the Netherlands, who have been saying the facilities here (e.g. nuclear medicine department, where he is an intern) are truly state-of-the-art, and that was an important factor in them coming here.

Our classes are held in one classroom, with our professors coming to us. Since we are so few, you really get to meet everybody intimately. Our class has already been on skiing trips together, visited Nice over the weekends, and even invited friends over for Christmas/New years/Easter back to the UK!
On top of all this, we frequently go out together to the very cosmopolitan city that is Milano; sushi all-you-can-eat-buffets, coffee and drinks at any number of bars, karaoke, football, and apertivos!

The entrance exam

This is what happened last year.

I took the IMAT test (BMAT equivalent) in September having signed up, and waited two weeks for the results to be published online. There were 100 people taking the exam in London, and a further 500 Odd taking it in Milan, for 30 Eu places and 20 non-eu places.

NB they advertise a minimum mark of 20; this is NOT what you should be aiming for. This was only the second year, and the competition for places in the eu category was much harder than for the non-eu.

After the results are published online and you place within the top 30, ZOOM you should pack and get out to Milan asap and start looking for an apartment - Last year the entrance exam was on the 9th of September, results were published on the 1xth, and we had to be here for registration by the 23rd or so. It happens very quickly, and they expect you to pay the first instalment at an Italian branch of Intesa Sanpaolo (I made the mistake of going to the Intesa Sanpaolo branch in London but they dont deal with private payments). First date of term was the following monday (26th I believe).

NB - the application procedure is not easy takes time - start well in advance of the application deadline, but in the worst case scenario, contact the medical school as shown on www.mimed.it

In summary
Pros: Environment (small classes, excellent teaching staff, facilities), early clinical experience (tasters in the first 2 years followed by proper patient contact in the third year), course taught in English (but must learn Italian), top university in Italy, top hospital in Italy, and cheaper tuition than UK. Food is great in general!

Cons: Having to learn Italian within 2 years (I intend to study over the summer holidays), no dissections, had a really tough time getting all the paperwork together (Italian consulate blew 2 separate confirmed appointments with me, then lost my paperwork...)
With this being a new course, sometimes things dont go as smoothly as you would like, but having chatted with the year above, things are definitely improving. I assume it will get even better in years to come (Means some of this information may be outdated soon)

Possible pros or cons (depends on how you look at it): the hospital is not actually in the city of Milan; rather it is several kilometres to the south. However, there is a shuttlebus that runs every 20 minutes from morning till 8pm every day to Milan, and it takes about 15 minutes.
The lecture timetable is not as intense as in the UK. Its not 9-5 everyday, but with more time allocated to "self-study". We have on average 4-5 hours a day of lectures (just quick-maths involved here), which may be less intense than in the UK, but the students then go off to study at their own pace by themselves.

I hope this helps - I myself was daunted last year when faced with the prospect of this mysterious course. I would strongly recommend people to come and investigate (as some people have already done) -it's only Milan and costs under a hundred pounds to come and investigate for yourself!
Where is the student office located and where do you take the classes? Is it at the Universita degli Studi di Milano or at Instituto clinico Humanitas?
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Do you know wheRe I can find the mark scheme?
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'A' Is always the right answer.
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Hi ,
I have some questions
- I applied for the entrance exam, the adress where we are going to pass the exam is not the adress of the faculty, am I right?
- What are the required documents once we will be admitted: the translation of our high school diploma and the "dichiarazione di valore" Is there any other document we need to finilize the application?
- What documents do we need to have the exam day? Just the identity card?
- I saw two links on mimed.it to help us finding student flats but honnestly it's not clear, can you give me an average of prices for student flats
and other flats that we can rent by searching without being helped by the university
Thank you shinwave for your precious help!!
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I am rather confused about the appilcation/ enrolemnt procedure. What happens after we take IMAT? How long does it take for them to assess the test? When do you know if you are accepted ( or not)? If you are accepted, what next? I read that you wait about two weeks for final answer from the uni. So if the exam is on 5th of September, by 19th lists should be published.
If the acadmic year starts at the end of September ( 24th in Roome, I think) that gives us less that a week to register at the uni and confirm attendance. Am I right? And what do you actually do to register at the uni?
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I am rather confused about the appilcation/ enrolemnt procedure. What happens after we take IMAT? How long does it take for them to assess the test? When do you know if you are accepted ( or not)? If you are accepted, what next? I read that you wait about two weeks for final answer from the uni. So if the exam is on 5th of September, by 19th lists should be published.
If the acadmic year starts at the end of September ( 24th in Roome, I think) that gives us less that a week to register at the uni and confirm attendance. Am I right? And what do you actually do to register at the uni?
Yes, you have the general idea down. Its a very tight frame - you sit the test, and then two weeks later results are published. The university may not even contact you properly - be aware! IF you are in the top 50, then you have made it. If you are in the top 60-100, then email the university regarding places being taken - there may be places available, and if somebody does, for whatever reason, drop out then you may still have a chance of getting a place!

Anyways - you sit the test, and once you have a place, you have a very short time frame to actually Register - you need to do this in Milan. You have to go to the International student office in Via Santa Sofia, and they will help you out. You need to take your passport, DV (Dichiarazione di Valore) and any other papers you may think relevant - just take them with you.

Next, you will need to make a codice fiscale (fiscal code number - i.e. tax number, the equivalent to NI), and then you can pay your First instalment at an Intesa San paolo bank. You take the receipt to the International student office - This should be it - you're registered! Immatriculazione!

(NB You should ask the International student office for help - the place to get my codice fiscale was the GREEN LINE station Moscova, and then walk all the way down via Moscova till you get to a building - and then queue. It wasn't that easy, but you need to fill out some forms, take a ticket, queue, and then they will call you up!)

I would recommend people get to Italy ASAP once they have found out - the procedure for making a codice fiscale, then paying your first instalment may take some time. Opening hours are...temperamental. If in doubt - international student office!
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Hi ,
I have some questions
- I applied for the entrance exam, the adress where we are going to pass the exam is not the adress of the faculty, am I right?
- What are the required documents once we will be admitted: the translation of our high school diploma and the "dichiarazione di valore" Is there any other document we need to finilize the application?
- What documents do we need to have the exam day? Just the identity card?
- I saw two links on mimed.it to help us finding student flats but honnestly it's not clear, can you give me an average of prices for student flats
and other flats that we can rent by searching without being helped by the university
Thank you shinwave for your precious help!!
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The entrance exam is NOT at Humanitas - its somewhere else. I confirmed this before I came back for the summer, but I also heard it is somewhere different to last year... However I don't actually know where the exams are taking place.

On exam day, last year, I had to take some ID and some form - stating that I was registered for the exam.

Rooms within Milan are going to be 400+ euros, but nearer the hospital (rozzano) it's cheaper. Accommodation was a big issue, as the university does not provide it. You have to find it for yourself - you have to be proactive! Check out websites, go to housing agencies, etc. I spend 3 weeks at a hostel... only moved into our house in late october! You may have to do the same~ I advise you bring some cash with you!
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Where is the student office located and where do you take the classes? Is it at the Universita degli Studi di Milano or at Instituto clinico Humanitas?
International student office For Universita degli Studi di Milano is at Via Santa Sofia.

The student office for the IMS is at Humanitas - ICH. All classes are in this hospital - faculty 7 (white building) - the teaching facilities.
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International student office For Universita degli Studi di Milano is at Via Santa Sofia.

The student office for the IMS is at Humanitas - ICH. All classes are in this hospital - faculty 7 (white building) - the teaching facilities.
Hey Shinwave,

First of all, thank you for making this thread. I got ABB and was strung along by Imperial and Peninsula until I got my remarks, and despite me getting A*A*B in the end, they both gave my place away. More to the point: if I hadn't seen this thread, I'd be taking a gap year which I would never be able to afford :P.

I've got a couple of questions, I'll understand if you can't get back to me in time though because the exam is in less than two days and you're probably busy yourself!
1) What was the protocol was when you got to the actual exam; what time did the centre open and was there a huge queue? What is the best time to get there? Do I just have to bring my stated form of ID and IMAT invoice and confirmation?
2) I'm getting close to full marks in Biology and Critical Thinking/ Problem Solving and am doing pretty well in Chemistry, but I'm averaging 4-6/12 in Physics and Maths, with Physics only accounting for 1 or 2 of those marks at best. Is it marked by section or could I still get a place by doing really well in the first three sections and awfully in the last?
3) Should I spend my last 24 hours before the exam learning Physics as well as possible or just doing papers?
4) If you get in, what happens? Do you just look on the website, and if you're in the top 60 you get everything ready and just turn up at the university? In addition, do you receive a booklist?


Sorry about the length of the questions, and thanks in advance X
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Hi SHINWAVE
I know you've been getting lots of bits of questions so I think mine might be easier. This way you answer a lot of people's questions.

Can you please outline, step-by-step and with appropriate time frames, what you did after you got your IMAT results? (incuding how you got your GCSE and A-Level certificates ready for Milan Uni IMS?)

Plus, if you could add how you get around in Milan (knowing how to get to places eg Int. Students Office

Thanks!
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Hey Shinwave,

First of all, thank you for making this thread. I got ABB and was strung along by Imperial and Peninsula until I got my remarks, and despite me getting A*A*B in the end, they both gave my place away. More to the point: if I hadn't seen this thread, I'd be taking a gap year which I would never be able to afford :P.

I've got a couple of questions, I'll understand if you can't get back to me in time though because the exam is in less than two days and you're probably busy yourself!
1) What was the protocol was when you got to the actual exam; what time did the centre open and was there a huge queue? What is the best time to get there? Do I just have to bring my stated form of ID and IMAT invoice and confirmation?
2) I'm getting close to full marks in Biology and Critical Thinking/ Problem Solving and am doing pretty well in Chemistry, but I'm averaging 4-6/12 in Physics and Maths, with Physics only accounting for 1 or 2 of those marks at best. Is it marked by section or could I still get a place by doing really well in the first three sections and awfully in the last?
3) Should I spend my last 24 hours before the exam learning Physics as well as possible or just doing papers?
4) If you get in, what happens? Do you just look on the website, and if you're in the top 60 you get everything ready and just turn up at the university? In addition, do you receive a booklist?


Sorry about the length of the questions, and thanks in advance X
Hi Sublatus

erm, top 60 out of how many? I thought it was top 30 out 100 or so people from the EU...
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Hi SHINWAVE
I know you've been getting lots of bits of questions so I think mine might be easier. This way you answer a lot of people's questions.

Can you please outline, step-by-step and with appropriate time frames, what you did after you got your IMAT results? (incuding how you got your GCSE and A-Level certificates ready for Milan Uni IMS?)

Plus, if you could add how you get around in Milan (knowing how to get to places eg Int. Students Office

Thanks!
Hey hows your IMAT prep going? Are you taking the exam in London ?
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Hi Sublatus

erm, top 60 out of how many? I thought it was top 30 out 100 or so people from the EU...

My mistake, it's 50 EU places, but since there's 60 places altogether you'll have to be in the top 60 to stand a chance. I think there's 50 this year because they've cut the number of non-EU places from 20 to 10.

It'd be nice to hear from anyone taking the exam in London . Just did a practice paper and got 57.5, and deducting 10 to allow for mistakes in the exam I got 47.5. What is everyone else averaging?
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My mistake, it's 50 EU places, but since there's 60 places altogether you'll have to be in the top 60 to stand a chance. I think there's 50 this year because they've cut the number of non-EU places from 20 to 10.

It'd be nice to hear from anyone taking the exam in London . Just did a practice paper and got 57.5, and deducting 10 to allow for mistakes in the exam I got 47.5. What is everyone else averaging?
I'm doing it London too. I'm mainly worried about the general knowledge as you don't know what can come up really. I can't really do the past paper under exam conditions though haha, as I know that each answer is the same choice so its biased. Top 50 out of how many do you think?
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Hi SHINWAVE
I know you've been getting lots of bits of questions so I think mine might be easier. This way you answer a lot of people's questions.

Can you please outline, step-by-step and with appropriate time frames, what you did after you got your IMAT results? (incuding how you got your GCSE and A-Level certificates ready for Milan Uni IMS?)

Plus, if you could add how you get around in Milan (knowing how to get to places eg Int. Students Office

Thanks!
Hey Tima - sorry but my personal experience is definitely not applicable to most other people... Top 60 = Pack up and move on over!

You move about Milan by public transport - buses, trams, metro... and perhaps taxi on your first day there, because most people won't know.
When you arrive at the airport, there will be many shuttle buses that go to Milano Centrale, and these will cost you between 5-10 euros. Much cheaper than a taxi. You should look for accommodation - hostels/hotels before travel.

To get to the International students office: Via Santa sofia
You can either get a taxi to "via santa sofia", or Get the yellow line to missouri, and then ask around for via santa sofia, if you want to get to the international students office - you walk into the compounds and carry on all the way to the back, and then go down some metal stairs. There are signs leading the way - and you need to get a ticket from the automated machine.
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Hey Tima - sorry but my personal experience is definitely not applicable to most other people... Top 60 = Pack up and move on over!

You move about Milan by public transport - buses, trams, metro... and perhaps taxi on your first day there, because most people won't know.
When you arrive at the airport, there will be many shuttle buses that go to Milano Centrale, and these will cost you between 5-10 euros. Much cheaper than a taxi. You should look for accommodation - hostels/hotels before travel.

To get to the International students office: Via Santa sofia
You can either get a taxi to "via santa sofia", or Get the yellow line to missouri, and then ask around for via santa sofia, if you want to get to the international students office - you walk into the compounds and carry on all the way to the back, and then go down some metal stairs. There are signs leading the way - and you need to get a ticket from the automated machine.
Did you get a confirmation from the Uni, or are you expected to confirm once you see the results? How long after the exam last year were the results available? Thank you

EDIT: By the way, what qualification do you get at the end of the course? Is it an MD/MBBS or something different?
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