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Private organisations have every right to ban these.
Reply 2
but do you not feel that is an infringement on our civil rights? it isnt only private organisations, MPs have backed the ban and it has been reported that particular police constabularys are conducting stop and searches on people wearing a hoody because, and i quote "they are associated with bad behaviour" (luton police constabulary)
Reply 3
The police have always searched shifty-looking folk if there has been a crime committed nearby or by someone who looks similarly shifty. That's fair enough, it's the sort of inconvenience necessary in a civilised society.

MPs may have backed these bans, but again only over private shopping centres. It would be ridiculous to suggest this will ever happen on the public streets. We don't have civil rights in relation to private persons and organisations. Also worth saying is that you won't get thrown out of Bluewater et al. for simply wearing a hoodie... a few people have tried it as an experiment and mostly the security just smile.

I do, however, think it's generally a stupid idea. But then again, companies are free to pursue stupid ideas and hopefully learn from their mistakes.
Reply 4
louise28k
what does everyoe think on the ban on the wearing of hoodies in shopping centres and other places such as universities (UCL has banned both hoods and islamic veils on campus), a good idea or completely irrational?


It's called freedom of association.

If you don't want "hoodies" on your property, so be it.
Reply 5
If you want to solve a problem, you must work at the source of the problem. Simply targeting people cos they wear hoodies is only going to anger them further, and probably encourage them to continue "bad" behaviour.

There was something on the BBC news today i saw, about a black kid in Clapham who has been stopped by Police more than dozen times over the past few months, simply because of what he is. The kid mite have looked like a criminal (not necessarily because he's black), but he was not. He was hard working, had a job etc....but he made the point i made above. He said "Its getting too me, and there will be a point where i mite not be able to control myself from lashing out". Being treated like a criminal when your not one is a frustrating.


I can't remember the name of the film, but its where there are "clericks", and theres a big brother type society. Everyone takes a drug to keep them in-line, and the main clerick eventually brakes free. But everyone was wearing the same clothes...is that where we want to head?

Bad things will always happen in society, unless you address the problem at the source. Any other measures you take will merely fuel the fire.
Reply 6
SSS
If you want to solve a problem, you must work at the source of the problem. Simply targeting people cos they wear hoodies is only going to anger them further, and probably encourage them to continue "bad" behaviour.


Not for the shopping centres and such to be worrying about...

There was something on the BBC news today i saw, about a black kid in Clapham who has been stopped by Police more than dozen times over the past few months, simply because of what he is. The kid mite have looked like a criminal (not necessarily because he's black), but he was not. He was hard working, had a job etc....but he made the point i made above. He said "Its getting too me, and there will be a point where i mite not be able to control myself from lashing out". Being treated like a criminal when your not one is a frustrating.


That'll only happen if he does things like hang around on street corners, wearing intimidating clothing and so forth.

Why anyone wants to follow that sort of culture is beyond me.
Reply 7
Well then, I'm sure you can accept being forcibly ejected from someone's premises...
Reply 8
LibertineNorth
That'll only happen if he does things like hang around on street corners, wearing intimidating clothing and so forth.

Why anyone wants to follow that sort of culture is beyond me.


That may be your opinion, but the person has a right to wear whatever culture clothes he wishes. He should also not have to face intimidation from Police, simply because of the way he's dressed.

Again, this highlights the growing problem with our Police, and that we are now all suspects, and for the sake of "security", must be stopped if we look different from normal.
Reply 9
's true, the Hoodie Discrimination Act of 2005 was well documented.
Reply 10
Firebird
Surely ejecting someone because they're wearing a hood is discrimination?

Not in any meaningful sense.
Reply 11
Firebird
Surely ejecting someone because they're wearing a hood is discrimination?


So what? It's only recently certain people have had the "right" not to be discriminated against, but it is on very limited grounds (gender, race etc...)
Reply 12
What i find interesting is that places like bluewater are selling the very garments that they are trying to ban from their centres....hypocritical or what
Reply 13
Marks and Spencer serves booze, but I doubt they'd take too kindly to you getting rat-arsed in the lingerie section...
Reply 14
LibertineNorth
Marks and Spencer serves booze, but I doubt they'd take too kindly to you getting rat-arsed in the lingerie section...


That’s not exactly a fair comparison. When you buy booze it is up to you to drink responsibly, M&S do not bring rules based upon the lowest common dominator that discriminate against more responsible people by refusing to buy drink. This is exactly what Bluewater are doing; they have deemed that hoodies, even with hoods down cannot be worn because of the irresponsible use of the hoodie by some thief’s. If they believe hoodies to be a hazard and to cause crimes, then how can they in good faith sell it, its bang out of order...?
What rediculous nonsense some people on here are shouting. You have no "right" to be in a shop, a shopping centre or anywhere else owned by anyone plus you. This is an anti-thieving measure and the owners of the businessmust believe this will help lower crime-rates in their shops.

If you think you know better, you write them a letter. I'd put a fair wager on the fact they run thier business better than you would.
Reply 16
ForeverIsMyName
What rediculous nonsense some people on here are shouting. You have no "right" to be in a shop, a shopping centre or anywhere else owned by anyone plus you. This is an anti-thieving measure and the owners of the businessmust believe this will help lower crime-rates in their shops.

If you think you know better, you write them a letter. I'd put a fair wager on the fact they run thier business better than you would.


This is a fair point, however, places that continue to sell hoodies while banning the wearing of them are completely in the wrong. If they feel hoodies aid thefts then how can they continue to sell them? Its like a banning the use of a firearm but continuing to sell it.
No, it's like selling a firearm and then not letting people wander round your shop waving it about.
Reply 18
ForeverIsMyName
No, it's like selling a firearm and then not letting people wander round your shop waving it about.


And why aren't you lerttign them wave it about? It's not ok if they wave it about in your shop but once their outside its ok?
Reply 19
Is changing the way they dress honestly going to stop them from committing crime? O___o

It just seems a bit trivial to me and a bit of a waste of police time.