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RN or RAF?

Hi there, everyone. I'm new to this forum, so sorry if I'm posting in the wrong place or anything. Anyway, I've got some questions I hope you can answer for me:
1. Should I join the Navy or the Air Force? (I'd want to be an Officer whichever one I choose). I've looked at loads of different sources, but I still can't decide which one to choose (I appreciate that this one will be difficult to answer, on account of it being a personal preference, but any help would be much appreciated). What reasons are there for choosing one over the other?
2. In the Navy, what are the mathematical requirements for being a Warfare Officer, or a submarine Warfare Officer? I got a grade B in GCSE maths, but I never liked the subject, and I'm not very good at it (otherwise, I was thinking of becoming a Logistics Officer).
3. Which force is it easier to get into (applicant numbers, interview standards, fitness standards etc.)?
If I joined the Navy, I would join as a Warfare or Logistics Officer. If I joined the RAF, I'd go for Intelligence Officer (followed by Provost). Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer this; I know it's a long list!

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Reply 1
1. Which jobs are you interested in, the Navy and the RAF do different roles and do different jobs so you need to look at what you'd be interested in.

2.You need at least 5 GCSEs (or equivalent) and 140 UCAS points to be eligible to apply to become an officer. The 140 UCAS points now takes into account 'A' Levels, 'AS' Levels, Vocational Certificate of Education, Key Skills and 1-Unit Awards. (This is effectively equivalent to 2 good A level passes and 5 GSCE's if you received your 'A' levels before July 2001).

3. You undergo the same basic testing for both, and selection is determined by service requirements and your preformance. One is not easier than the other.
defnek
Hi there, everyone. I'm new to this forum, so sorry if I'm posting in the wrong place or anything. Anyway, I've got some questions I hope you can answer for me:
1. Should I join the Navy or the Air Force? (I'd want to be an Officer whichever one I choose). I've looked at loads of different sources, but I still can't decide which one to choose (I appreciate that this one will be difficult to answer, on account of it being a personal preference, but any help would be much appreciated). What reasons are there for choosing one over the other?
2. In the Navy, what are the mathematical requirements for being a Warfare Officer, or a submarine Warfare Officer? I got a grade B in GCSE maths, but I never liked the subject, and I'm not very good at it (otherwise, I was thinking of becoming a Logistics Officer).
3. Which force is it easier to get into (applicant numbers, interview standards, fitness standards etc.)?
If I joined the Navy, I would join as a Warfare or Logistics Officer. If I joined the RAF, I'd go for Intelligence Officer (followed by Provost). Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer this; I know it's a long list!


You are posting in the right forum :-0
Reply 3
Forget RN and RAF, go ARMY
Reply 4
Why do you fools have to stick your oar in every time. It actually does irritate me. He didn't come on and say 'hey what about the army' he specifically said RN or RAF. There is a reason for this - the mentality of the Army is bipolar in comparison with that of the RAF/RN. You have to assume he's already made his mind up not to join the cabbage patch kids.
Reply 5
GR4pilot
Why do you fools have to stick your oar in every time. It actually does irritate me. He didn't come on and say 'hey what about the army' he specifically said RN or RAF. There is a reason for this - the mentality of the Army is bipolar in comparison with that of the RAF/RN. You have to assume he's already made his mind up not to join the cabbage patch kids.

I was testing his commitment.
Reply 6
He doesn't want to go where the pongos
Reply 7
Changing your account name, eh?
Reply 8
KSpin
Changing your account name, eh?

I felt like a change.
Reply 9
army...no, crawling around in the mud just aint my style (no offence intended!) I'm now pretty sure I'd like to be in the RAF as an intelligence officer. i want to go to uni though...does anyone have any ideas on what degrees would be looked upon favourably for intel. officer?
defnek
army...no, crawling around in the mud just aint my style (no offence intended!) I'm now pretty sure I'd like to be in the RAF as an intelligence officer. i want to go to uni though...does anyone have any ideas on what degrees would be looked upon favourably for intel. officer?


A guy who I know from OTC is hoping to join the RAF as an intelligence officer. He's reading International Relations with French.
Reply 11
YEa History is the big one for int - everyone who's mentioned degrees for int have said history. I'm reading International relations and History which I picked partly for how it looks. Abber has an intelligence studies degree and war studies and Kings london or Wolves may be good. But don't pick one that you think the RAF will want and fail it cause you have no intererest.
Reply 12
defnek
army...no, crawling around in the mud just aint my style (no offence intended!) I'm now pretty sure I'd like to be in the RAF as an intelligence officer. i want to go to uni though...does anyone have any ideas on what degrees would be looked upon favourably for intel. officer?



Do a degree you have an interest in, not one that will help your application. What happens if you do a degree you have no interest in then the RAF don't take you. You end up doing a crap job you don't like. At least if your degree is in something your interested in, if things go pear shaped you can carry on with your life.

My degree was in Yacht design and manufacture and hence has no relevance to the RAF but I start in May. God forbid had I done a degree in history or something. I would probably have got my fathers shotgun and dealt with it!!!
Reply 13
army...no, crawling around in the mud just aint my style (no offence intended!) I'm now pretty sure I'd like to be in the RAF as an intelligence officer. i want to go to uni though...does anyone have any ideas on what degrees would be looked upon favourably for intel. officer?


Wether you have a degree or not, your basic training will include some kinda crawling in mud and getting dirty mate :smile:
Reply 14
mattdeanuk
Wether you have a degree or not, your basic training will include some kinda crawling in mud and getting dirty mate :smile:


But in the Navy and Raf they do it for character building wheras the Army do it for character demorilisation!!!
Reply 15
sorry, just to clarify - I completely agree with PD on this - however if you have a specific interest in any of the degrees I posted they may be looked on more favourably.
Reply 16
mattdeanuk
Wether you have a degree or not, your basic training will include some kinda crawling in mud and getting dirty mate :smile:

Yep, it definitely will. For example it says in the Initial Officer Training kit list that you're to bring a field washkit that will last 2 weeks :eek:

Do you still want to join?
Surely crawling around in the mud is the best bit of training?

Surely doing section attacks are better than sitting in lectures?
Being that the only officers in the RAF remotely connected with section attacks are those destined for the RAF Regiment, no, they're no use whatsoever at IOT. The RAF's unique amongst the three services for having no "general" job for its officers. All Army officers are able to command a platoon (well, post PCBC) and all Naval officers are able to act as warfare officers aboard. The RAF's not like that.

"Crawling around in the mud" doesn't prepare a pilot, navigator, fighter controller, adminner, or supplier for his future duties.

There is very little crawling around in the mud at IOT. There's lots of field living, but that's because trying to do your best stab at leadership when you're knackered, you've had no sleep, and you've not been near a shower for a while is a good way to bring out your character.
BlackHawk
Being that the only officers in the RAF remotely connected with section attacks are those destined for the RAF Regiment, no, they're no use whatsoever at IOT. The RAF's unique amongst the three services for having no "general" job for its officers. All Army officers are able to command a platoon (well, post PCBC) and all Naval officers are able to act as warfare officers aboard. The RAF's not like that.

"Crawling around in the mud" doesn't prepare a pilot, navigator, fighter controller, adminner, or supplier for his future duties.

There is very little crawling around in the mud at IOT. There's lots of field living, but that's because trying to do your best stab at leadership when you're knackered, you've had no sleep, and you've not been near a shower for a while is a good way to bring out your character.

What about Ground defence training?

Surely you do some proper fieldcraft in that part of the course?