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Reply 1
Can anyone tell me?
Reply 2
I think chancery bar is just the old name for commerical bar. But I am not 100% sure.
Reply 3
The two are indeed different. Traditionally the Chancery Bar dealt with matters such as trusts and property, areas of law covered by the Chancery Division. The Commercial Bar is a more modern invention stemming mainly from shipping and construction matters. This is the traditional position, but, now this is indeed a gross oversimplification; the division between the two is not a clear cut as the two names would suggest, especially since certain sets are moving into "commercial chancery" fields.

The following links may prove useful:

http://www.chba.org.uk/
http://www.combar.com/
http://www.lawcareers.net/Barristers/PracticeAreas.aspx
Reply 4
Is it true that you don't get to do much advocacy work in the commercial chancery bar? Commercial and Chancery is the highest earning area of law right?
Yes, commercial is definitely the highest earning area of law.
Reply 6
On average the Tax Bar pays more than the Commercial Bar; but, you would be foolish to choose your area of the bar solely on money: remember you will be the one practicing in this area for 30 or more years, so chose an area of law you enjoy!

The Commercial Bar tends to get less advocacy at the junior end than other areas of the Bar such as Common Law or Crime. With Chancery there are always smaller matters for junior tenants such as winding ups and bankruptcy petitions. However certain commercial chambers make a point of taking on ensuring their junior tenants gain advocacy experience through small RTA actions.
Reply 7
Then do one get to do much advocacy in the Tax Bar? What do you mean by RTA actions?
Reply 8
RTA is an abbreviation for road traffic accident. I am afraid that I have neither had a mini-pupillage at the Tax Bar, nor do I know anyone currently practicing in such a field at the Bar, so I am unable to answer that question.
Reply 9
Why post then?
Reply 10
ElWilson
Why post then?


PDJM
RTA is an abbreviation for road traffic accident. I am afraid that I have neither had a mini-pupillage at the Tax Bar, nor do I know anyone currently practicing in such a field at the Bar, so I am unable to answer that question.


Ahem.

The mere transitory lack of a response is per se ambiguous and may well be given to any number of explanations, only one of these being 'PDJM is incapable of providing a satisfactory answer'. By replying, he pre-emptively dispels this uncertainty and with it any deterrent from actively seeking resolution elsewhere, such as might arise on the assumption that PDJM's silence regarding the matter is but temporary and need not bespeak absence of knowledge, thus rescuing John from the prospect of a potentially doomed vigil: he has now every incentive to pursue alternative avenues of inquiry.
Reply 11
Originally Posted by PDJM
RTA is an abbreviation for road traffic accident.


Ahem,

I think would be more suitable.
Reply 12
ElWilson
Ahem,

I think would be more suitable.


What are you dribbling about, you strange and insolent child?
Reply 13
Do shhh.
Reply 14
Outis_Noman
Is it true that you don't get to do much advocacy work in the commercial chancery bar?

If you like advocacy, there are opportunities to do advocacy work regardless of the area of law you choose to specialise in.
Reply 15
There are indeed advocacy opportunities in all areas of the Bar. That said some of these areas have a greater advocacy focus in terms of time on your feet, for example the Criminal Bar.
Reply 16
PDJM
There are indeed advocacy opportunities in all areas of the Bar. That said some of these areas have a greater advocacy focus in terms of time on your feet, for example the Criminal Bar.


Ummmm, what sort of Counsel advocacy doesn't, in your view, involve time on your feet?
Reply 17
Written advocacy, negotiation, mediation, and the more informal forms of arbitration- (although this is more court like) amongst others. The CPR is designed to cut down the number of cases that should reach trial. Even once within court there is more focus towards the written in civil than in criminal matters, although things are partly changing now. One example would be in civil matters a witness statement will tend to stand as an examination in chief, unlike in criminal matters.
Reply 18
I'll accept that some forms of written submissions might be regarded as advocacy, but other than that the areas you mention above either aren't advocacy in the true sense of the word, or it doesn't fall within Counsel's area of expertise:

- negotiation. Its rare to get Counsel involved in face to face settlement negotiations, save for where Counsel speak to their opponent at the door of the court.
- mediation. Again, rare for Counsel to be involved. Mediation works best when legal issues are left to one side.
- arbitration is, to all intents and purposes, court advocacy in a different forum.
- the preparation of witness statements: again, Counsel might be involved in settling these but I wouldn't regard this job as being "advocacy".
I like the way you totally ignored the idiotic comments of ElWilson... it's faily obvious what an RTA is :s-smilie:.