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So, we're slowly but steadily edging our way to the Unit 3 History exam in June, and I'm pretty sure no-one's made a proper discussion thread about it!

I was wondering how everyone's getting on, how different people are approaching the past papers etc...

I'm doing the Cold War option, and I've basically been treating the A) questions like a Unit 1 question, just that including different schools of thought, while the B)'s I treated more like a Unit 2 question, except without all the "provenance" aspect.

I'm pretty nervous since I need an overall A in History to meet my offer!!:eek:
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Doing the Cold War as well
I need an A as well FML
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cold war here as well need 110/120 UMS for an A or 70/120 for a B

Not looking forward to it!
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French Revolution. I need an A.

I hope this does not derail the thread, but does anyone know how I can work out the number of UMS marks I need for an A? Am I correct in thinking that Unit 3 carries the most weighting?

So far: 97 UMS in Unit 1
70 UMS in Unit 2 (though it may go up as I have resat it)
86 UMS in Unit 4 (coursework).

I would appreciate it if anyone could help me out.
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French Revolution. I need an A.

I hope this does not derail the thread, but does anyone know how I can work out the number of UMS marks I need for an A? Am I correct in thinking that Unit 3 carries the most weighting?

So far: 97 UMS in Unit 1
70 UMS in Unit 2 (though it may go up as I have resat it)
86 UMS in Unit 4 (coursework).

I would appreciate it if anyone could help me out.
if your doing edexcel i'm pretty sure the coursework is out of 80 UMS as it's worth 40% of the A2
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No love for the English Civil War I see Ah well...
I need 103/120 UMS for an A or 63/120 for a B, which is my minimum target so I am starting to feel the pressure and trying to do as many practice questions as possible whilst sandwiching in all my other exams :eek:
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if your doing edexcel i'm pretty sure the coursework is out of 80 UMS as it's worth 40% of the A2
I need a 67% average in A2 for an A but our coursework seems to get marked down generally so I'm really working hard on this one.

If anyone's interested, there's a great set of documentaries here:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4FF5F03E7FE6342C

There's so many that watching one a day would probably get you all the way to the exam
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French Revolution. I need an A.

I hope this does not derail the thread, but does anyone know how I can work out the number of UMS marks I need for an A? Am I correct in thinking that Unit 3 carries the most weighting?

So far: 97 UMS in Unit 1
70 UMS in Unit 2 (though it may go up as I have resat it)
86 UMS in Unit 4 (coursework).

I would appreciate it if anyone could help me out.
If you mean you got 86% rather than 86 UMS in unit 4, you'd need 85/120 UMS in Unit 3 (someone correct me if I'm wrong!)
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Has anyone only briefly touched on revision? I'm doing Option D - the challenge of fascism, anyone?

Also, for the historical views part, how important is it to know what different historians think etc...? Because we get given sources, so do you need to add own knowledge...e.g. Charmley thought appeasement was going to work and Chamberlain should have continued with it, however, revisionists claim...etc. - would I need to include something like that outside of what's given in source information?
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if your doing edexcel i'm pretty sure the coursework is out of 80 UMS as it's worth 40% of the A2

(Original post by flying_ifan)
If you mean you got 86% rather than 86 UMS in unit 4, you'd need 85/120 UMS in Unit 3 (someone correct me if I'm wrong!)
Yes, I did mean 86% (43/50), I'm not sure why I put 86 UMS marks instead!

@flying_ifan, thanks - I will look into it but people I have asked beforehand have been a bit vague.
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Hey all, I'll be sitting for EDEXCEL Unit 3 this June too, on the Cold War!

I need an A to meet my university offer as well, so it is nerve-wrecking! I sent in my Unit 4 coursework a few weeks ago but I have no idea how that went. So I really don't know how much space for mistakes I have with my written exam. But for A2, to achieve an A grade, I need 154/200 UMS.

I'm quite comfortable with revision so far. Will be doing lots and lots of exam practices from now on. What does everyone know about 'historian quotes'? EDEXCEL states it is not entirely necessary, but what are you all told at school?
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Hey all, I'll be sitting for EDEXCEL Unit 3 this June too, on the Cold War!

I need an A to meet my university offer as well, so it is nerve-wrecking! I sent in my Unit 4 coursework a few weeks ago but I have no idea how that went. So I really don't know how much space for mistakes I have with my written exam. But for A2, to achieve an A grade, I need 154/200 UMS.

I'm quite comfortable with revision so far. Will be doing lots and lots of exam practices from now on. What does everyone know about 'historian quotes'? EDEXCEL states it is not entirely necessary, but what are you all told at school?
I've been told by teachers that quotes aren't very necessary as long as you know what the important historians views are of issues then that's okay, I'm doing Germany so cant help you on historians here !!
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I've been told by teachers that quotes aren't very necessary as long as you know what the important historians views are of issues then that's okay, I'm doing Germany so cant help you on historians here !!
Totally agree, I think it's more important to actually know the different types of historiography and historians (and perhaps a few names would come in handy) rather than bothering with dozens of quotes that you don't even know will fit in the question.
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Hey, I'm doing the Cold War too.
I've been told that the schools of history aren't that important and that only some questions require it, i.e. the ones about the origins of the cold war. Wrong, right?
Also, how exactly do you structure your answer to section B? One teachers says that you must do an introduction the other says "F*$k it, go straight into the argument"...and sadly, yes, that's an actual quote lol.
The main thing is to cross reference, right?
Honestly, I'm so desperate that any tips would do lol
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Hey, I'm doing the Cold War too.
I've been told that the schools of history aren't that important and that only some questions require it, i.e. the ones about the origins of the cold war. Wrong, right?
Also, how exactly do you structure your answer to section B? One teachers says that you must do an introduction the other says "F*$k it, go straight into the argument"...and sadly, yes, that's an actual quote lol.
The main thing is to cross reference, right?
Honestly, I'm so desperate that any tips would do lol
Yeah actually you're right, schools of thought is mainly for the sources question.

In terms of introduction: I'd say it's vital - as vital as a conclusion. If only to just make it neat and tidy.

Cross referencing is really important too - but also adding in your own knowledge. I generally try to take points from the sources (although sometimes, especially when there's only two sources, as with the exemplar paper, you only have one source per point) and then "embellish" this with my own knowledge and add facts/figures/more info.

Of course, often, especially when arguing against the question, I find that I have to add points that aren't mentioned in the sources. Sometimes I find it's good to at least link these points to the sources in some way, e.g "although source X says bla bla bla, it ignores the fact that bla bla bla".

Having said that I'm no expert on the subject so any advice would be extremely welcome
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Yeah actually you're right, schools of thought is mainly for the sources question.

In terms of introduction: I'd say it's vital - as vital as a conclusion. If only to just make it neat and tidy.

Cross referencing is really important too - but also adding in your own knowledge. I generally try to take points from the sources (although sometimes, especially when there's only two sources, as with the exemplar paper, you only have one source per point) and then "embellish" this with my own knowledge and add facts/figures/more info.

Of course, often, especially when arguing against the question, I find that I have to add points that aren't mentioned in the sources. Sometimes I find it's good to at least link these points to the sources in some way, e.g "although source X says bla bla bla, it ignores the fact that bla bla bla".

Having said that I'm no expert on the subject so any advice would be extremely welcome
So the introduction would be like the one you do for section A - a summary of the points you're about to mention. Would you answer the question in the introduction or conclusion?

In terms of own knowledge, I think you're right in saying that you need to add a new point but obviously one that relates to the question. In one of my mocks I only gave more dates and statistics about an event mentioned in one of the sources and my teacher said I didn't use enough own knowledge... I think you should mainly do that when the source is clearly biased or limited in some way. Also, own knowledge is only 16 marks compared to 24 for source work so it's important to not get too carried away. lol

Anyway, that's what I think , I'm no expert either.
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So the introduction would be like the one you do for section A - a summary of the points you're about to mention. Would you answer the question in the introduction or conclusion?

In terms of own knowledge, I think you're right in saying that you need to add a new point but obviously one that relates to the question. In one of my mocks I only gave more dates and statistics about an event mentioned in one of the sources and my teacher said I didn't use enough own knowledge... I think you should mainly do that when the source is clearly biased or limited in some way. Also, own knowledge is only 16 marks compared to 24 for source work so it's important to not get too carried away. lol

Anyway, that's what I think , I'm no expert either.
For my Sources question, I follow this format for my introduction. It's something I concluded on my own by analyzing some high level essays, so it's not OFFICIAL or anything!

- establish topic
- establish controversy
- refer to sources and their arguments generally
- hypothesis of judgement

Below is an example of an introduction I wrote for a practice essay following the above format:

"After years of oscillating confrontation and co-existence between the two nuclear superpowers, USA and the Soviet Union, the collapse of the Soviet empire in 1991 ended the battle of terror that sustained the Cold War. However, the factors that ended the Cold War and their significance have been contested by historians from all sides. Sources 4, 5 and 6 argues for the contribution of different factors to the end of the Cold War, namely the economic and political instability of the Soviet Union, Reagan’s aggressive policies and Gorbachev’s reform ‘failures’. These causes played significant roles in the outcome of the conflict, but Mikhail Gorbachev’s revolutionary leadership was arguably the most important reason for the end of the Cold War."

For those studying the Cold War, which controversy will you guys choose to focus on? The start or the end of the Cold War? I've chosen to answer 'end of Cold War' questions, because I actually feel pretty convicted that Mikhail Gorbachev is awesome! Love his line, "We will rob you of your enemy". Do you guys think though, that it was his reform FAILURE or reform SUCCESS?
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For my Sources question, I follow this format for my introduction. It's something I concluded on my own by analyzing some high level essays, so it's not OFFICIAL or anything!

- establish topic
- establish controversy
- refer to sources and their arguments generally
- hypothesis of judgement

Below is an example of an introduction I wrote for a practice essay following the above format:

"After years of oscillating confrontation and co-existence between the two nuclear superpowers, USA and the Soviet Union, the collapse of the Soviet empire in 1991 ended the battle of terror that sustained the Cold War. However, the factors that ended the Cold War and their significance have been contested by historians from all sides. Sources 4, 5 and 6 argues for the contribution of different factors to the end of the Cold War, namely the economic and political instability of the Soviet Union, Reagan’s aggressive policies and Gorbachev’s reform ‘failures’. These causes played significant roles in the outcome of the conflict, but Mikhail Gorbachev’s revolutionary leadership was arguably the most important reason for the end of the Cold War."

For those studying the Cold War, which controversy will you guys choose to focus on? The start or the end of the Cold War? I've chosen to answer 'end of Cold War' questions, because I actually feel pretty convicted that Mikhail Gorbachev is awesome! Love his line, "We will rob you of your enemy". Do you guys think though, that it was his reform FAILURE or reform SUCCESS?
That introduction looks pretty thorough to me

I agree that Gorbachev is awesome - although I think I'm also going to study the beginning of the Cold War - just in case. In terms of whether it was his reform failure or success, that's quite a hard question to answer. The way I see it, it was a reform success - an immense success, to such an extent that it caught every by surprise (Gorbachev perhaps the most), and went further than he or anyone had hoped or expected. So on a personal level, and judging by Gorbachev's apparent aims, it was a failure, but seen purely from the reform point of view, I don't think many could counter the fact that it was certainly a success. In my view, it was the main cause behind the end of the cold war, whether intentional or not.

I really despise the "triumphalist" school of thought
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i'm doing the french revolution up to charles X and i was wondering if anyone knew if the coup of brumaire is part of the topic napoleon's domestic reforms? i don't think it is but my teacher said to revise it to be on the safe side...
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If you mean you got 86% rather than 86 UMS in unit 4, you'd need 85/120 UMS in Unit 3 (someone correct me if I'm wrong!)
What's the minimum number of UMS you need in total to get an A? How do you work out what you need in Unit 3 to get an A?
I got 98 UMS in Unit 1, 77 UMS in Unit 2 and 48/50 in Unit 4 coursework.

Any help would be much appreciated!
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