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You will not believe what just happened. I decided to play some blackjack on 32 red and deposited £100. I started off betting small and built it up to £116. I then decided to start betting bigger and the first time that i made an £8 bet, the dealer makes a blackjack. Ok fair enough that's going to happen sometimes. But it was unbelievable how when i topped up my bets the dealer was getting 20s, 21s and sometimes from a card like 2. Obviously i won a few but it was winning the majority and i got my money down to £65. I decided to just go for it and bet £8 each time and i said to myself that i would quit if i got it back and just not play again if i lost it all. It was only winnings from poker anyway, i don't devalue money but at least i didn't slave away for it. But still, the dealer beat me about ten times in a row and my mouth and my mate's was just on the floor. No matter what i was starting with or the dealer was, i just couldn't win. And it was so blatant how when i lowered my bets, which i did when i got to £30 to test it out, i would honestly win more. I know that sounds like conspiracist BS but it's true and it's ****ing with my head knowing that i've just given these corrupt ***** £100 of my money.

Has anyone else been in a similar situtation using online casinos?
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Welcome to the world of gambling.
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Which casino was this?
32 Red.
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Both online roulette and blackjack should be avoided massively.

They will let you win most of your first few hands, get you comfortable, then stab you when you start betting bigger.
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What did you expect?

To walk out of there with a couple of suitcases filled with money?
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Stick to betting on football matches

No fiddling with the event, unlike a clearly un-random dealing of cards
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online gambling like that is never going to generate big winnings.

If you want to have a bet then gamble on sports, the bookies can't really alter that in their favour.
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Stick to betting on football matches

No fiddling with the event, unlike a clearly un-random dealing of cards
So not Italian football matches.
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So not Italian football matches.
Or Argentian/Nigerian

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...Argentina.html

Hope it ain't true about Buffon - i've long been a fan
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What did you expect?

To walk out of there with a couple of suitcases filled with money?
No, but i didn't expect to get blatantly cheated by a quite well known company like 32 Red. It's not even the fact that i lost, sure £100 is a decent sum of money and it's not to be laughed at when you lose it but it's more the fact that these ****ers just get away with stealing people's money and obviously people return.

In my life, when someone bad happens to me i just don't let it happen again, i learn from my mistakes and so i'm calm about the situation; lesson learnt - don't gamble online, slap employee of 32 Red if i see him
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Both online roulette and blackjack should be avoided massively.

They will let you win most of your first few hands, get you comfortable, then stab you when you start betting bigger.
I agree with you about the blackjack but i don't understand why they would rig the roulette wheels?

Unless, they ensure somehow that the ball lands on the number with the least amount of bets on it or something, that would make sense and if it was a virtually generated roulette wheel, i really wouldn't put it past them. I hate casinos in general but online casinos just take the piss even more than you can imagine.

I think i'll stick to poker.
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So ok...

1. You play poker

2. The dealer beat you 10 times in a row.


Assume for blackjack that the P(win) = 0.5

I have eliminated the house edge and made it literally a coinflip.



P(dealer win 10 times in row) = 0.5^10


= 0.0009765625

convert to percentage

= 0.09765625%


So approximately 0.1% of the time you lose 10 in a row.

This equates to approx 1 in every 1000 trials. Pretty rare but possible.


In all likelyhood you are exaggerating and either;

1. Your "10 times in a row" figure is over-exaggerated

2. You had 1 win in that bunch of 10 which you neglected to mention.



If 2 is true then the 0.1% figure is increased by a factor of at LEAST 10.

If 1 is true then adjust the 0.5^10 sum to something like 0.5^9 or less



Either way, for a poker player you seem to be neglecting your mathematical skills :p:
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I agree with you about the blackjack but i don't understand why they would rig the roulette wheels?

Unless, they ensure somehow that the ball lands on the number with the least amount of bets on it or something, that would make sense and if it was a virtually generated roulette wheel, i really wouldn't put it past them. I hate casinos in general but online casinos just take the piss even more than you can imagine.

I think i'll stick to poker.
They NEVER rig the rouley wheel!!!!!


Put it this way, if you placed £1 on all 37 numbers (0 to 36) then you stake £37 total. Let us say that number 16 spins in. You have £1 on it and you win £36. But wait, you have covered every single number and it has cost you £37!!! So you lose £1 per £37 staked.

You therefore lose 1/£37 = 2.7p per £1 staked
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So ok...

1. You play poker

2. The dealer beat you 10 times in a row.


Assume for blackjack that the P(win) = 0.5

I have eliminated the house edge and made it literally a coinflip.



P(dealer win 10 times in row) = 0.5^10


= 0.0009765625

convert to percentage

= 0.09765625%


So approximately 0.1% of the time you lose 10 in a row.

This equates to approx 1 in every 1000 trials. Pretty rare but possible.


In all likelyhood you are exaggerating and either;

1. Your "10 times in a row" figure is over-exaggerated

2. You had 1 win in that bunch of 10 which you neglected to mention.



If 2 is true then the 0.1% figure is increased by a factor of at LEAST 10.

If 1 is true then adjust the 0.5^10 sum to something like 0.5^9 or less



Either way, for a poker player you seem to be neglecting your mathematical skills :p:
No i think it's just you giving too much thought to your 'improbable so didn't happen' skills. I promise you it was 10 in a row, that's why i'm making this thread mainly. It seems very unlikely yes but it did happen and just because something seems so unlikely and might not be believed, i'm not going to not say it in fear of being labelled an exaggerator.

Oh and i rarely use maths in poker, i'm much more of a feel based/read based player
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They NEVER rig the rouley wheel!!!!!


Put it this way, if you placed £1 on all 37 numbers (0 to 36) then you stake £37 total. Let us say that number 16 spins in. You have £1 on it and you win £36. But wait, you have covered every single number and it has cost you £37!!! So you lose £1 per £37 staked.

You therefore lose 1/£37 = 2.7p per £1 staked
I'm sorry but to me this makes no sense. I fail to see how your example of a bet that would never happen proves that they don't rig the roulette wheel?
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No i think it's just you giving too much thought to your 'improbable so didn't happen' skills. I promise you it was 10 in a row, that's why i'm making this thread mainly. It seems very unlikely yes but it did happen and just because something seems so unlikely and might not be believed, i'm not going to not say it in fear of being labelled an exaggerator.

Oh and i rarely use maths in poker, i'm much more of a feel based/read based player
I have been playing poker and blackjack for the past 8 years and have analysed both extensively.

Suffice to say that I too have encountered 10+ losses in a row, but the point of my post was pretty simple;


Blackjack has a low house edge.

Thus I if take a figure of a 50% winrate for blackjack (ie implying that the house has a zero edge, and the player also has a zero edge, which is easy to work out for me and extremely generous for you) then we get P(win) = 0.5


and to lose 10 in a row we simply put 0.5 to the factor of 10


it is akin to saying the probability of getting two heads in a row on a fair coin is 0.5^2 = 0.25 (or one quarter)


So 0.5^10 works out to roughly 0.1%



So to lose 10 coinflips in a row the probability is 0.1%. That is very generous for the game of blackjack. 0.1% is the same as saying 1 in 1000 trials.


Therefore if you conducted a trial of 10 hands of blackjack, you would lose all 10 of them 0.1% of the time.


It is simple maths dude.

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Also, i'm an exceptional poker player in the casino. I've made thousands online when the games were softer (before that pesky safe port bill :p: ) and I can crush any casino game <£300. It is mainly on the reads and the "feel" aspect you describe. But you have appreciate that, for example, AA v KK ran hot and cold 3 times will see AA win all three times 0.8^3 ~ 0.56 of the time (56% of the time). That is a simple mathematical fact for any poker enthusiast. Run an 80%er hot and cold 3 times and you will win all 3 trials 56% of the time. You will thus lose 1 or more 44% of the time.


If you don't get the maths of poker, then you are what I call a "nav" of poker. A decent player who can feel the play against normal opponents but one who does not have appreciation for hand ranges, or implied odds, or fold equity, or ICM, or anything else mathematical related.
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Also, i'm an exceptional poker player in the casino. I've made thousands online when the games were softer (before that pesky safe port bill :p: ) .
What was the safe port bill?
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What was the safe port bill?
The safe port bill was some stupid bill about protecting the ports of the United States or something like that. But they attached something about blocking bank transactions for Americans using online poker sites which effectively destroyed the American poker market. When the Americans were able to play poker there were a lot of fish on the internet. You could make an absolute fortune. I used to make about 2k a month about 4 years ago but have a lifestyle to match (500/week etc) and also won $7k on tv in 2007
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I have been playing poker and blackjack for the past 8 years and have analysed both extensively.

Suffice to say that I too have encountered 10+ losses in a row, but the point of my post was pretty simple;


Blackjack has a low house edge.

Thus I if take a figure of a 50% winrate for blackjack (ie implying that the house has a zero edge, and the player also has a zero edge, which is easy to work out for me and extremely generous for you) then we get P(win) = 0.5


and to lose 10 in a row we simply put 0.5 to the factor of 10


it is akin to saying the probability of getting two heads in a row on a fair coin is 0.5^2 = 0.25 (or one quarter)


So 0.5^10 works out to roughly 0.1%



So to lose 10 coinflips in a row the probability is 0.1%. That is very generous for the game of blackjack. 0.1% is the same as saying 1 in 1000 trials.


Therefore if you conducted a trial of 10 hands of blackjack, you would lose all 10 of them 0.1% of the time.


It is simple maths dude.

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I'm not disagreeing with you here, i guess a statistical anomaly occured to me then because it was 10 in a row.

Also, i'm an exceptional poker player in the casino. I've made thousands online when the games were softer (before that pesky safe port bill :p: ) and I can crush any casino game <£300. It is mainly on the reads and the "feel" aspect you describe. But you have appreciate that, for example, AA v KK ran hot and cold 3 times will see AA win all three times 0.8^3 ~ 0.56 of the time (56% of the time). That is a simple mathematical fact for any poker enthusiast. Run an 80%er hot and cold 3 times and you will win all 3 trials 56% of the time. You will thus lose 1 or more 44% of the time.


If you don't get the maths of poker, then you are what I call a "nav" of poker. A decent player who can feel the play against normal opponents but one who does not have appreciation for hand ranges, or implied odds, or fold equity, or ICM, or anything else mathematical related.
I fully understand the maths of poker and can quickly calculate whether a call of a certain sized pot with x amount of outs is a correct decision if i'm basing it on the odds and i'm giving my opponent credit for an already made hand. But to me the maths isn't all that important at all compared to the psychology/board texture and the perception that you've created. To many poker players, a call is based on 'it's half the pot, i have 4 outs, i fold'. They don't consider bluff outs, the fact that their opponent could be bluffing or they don't understand the concept of advertising, which i've found is very important early on in matches. To me, a successful poker player just needs to know the fundamentals, needs to understand why someone would make a move in a certain position, with that stack and with x amount of players to act behind him and then put him on a hand and act accordingly. Too little players consider the deeper but most important aspects of poker. I've made a good amount of money in the past two weeks alone and that's when i started and i promise you it had very little to do with maths.
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I fully understand the maths of poker and can quickly calculate whether a call of a certain sized pot with x amount of outs is a correct decision if i'm basing it on the odds and i'm giving my opponent credit for an already made hand. But to me the maths isn't all that important at all compared to the psychology/board texture and the perception that you've created. To many poker players, a call is based on 'it's half the pot, i have 4 outs, i fold'. They don't consider bluff outs, the fact that their opponent could be bluffing or they don't understand the concept of advertising, which i've found is very important early on in matches. To me, a successful poker player just needs to know the fundamentals, needs to understand why someone would make a move in a certain position, with that stack and with x amount of players to act behind him and then put him on a hand and act accordingly. Too little players consider the deeper but most important aspects of poker. I've made a good amount of money in the past two weeks alone and that's when i started and i promise you it had very little to do with maths.

Suffice to say, i've shown that for blackjack P(10 losses in a row) ~ 0.1% through simple maths :p:

And if your exaggerating then we must shape the stats accordingly [if it was 9 times then P(9 losses) ~ 0.2% or 1 in 500 :p: ]

Or maybe you had 1 win out of 10 which you neglected to tell us about for the sake of making it look impressive, if so then we need to factor in the P(9 losses and 1 win). There are 10 ways to organise a trial of 9 losses and 1 win (WLLLLLLLLL, LWLLLLLLLL, LLWLLLLLLL...... LLLLLLLLLW). So therefore it would be 10 times more likely to occur.

But taking your post at face value; You just got hit by something which happens roughly 1 in 1000 times :rolleyes:
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