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university middle class /working class
I've just read an article saying that uni graduates who are from working class families tend to go in to lower paid jobs than their middle class counterparts. The main reasons for this being that they don't have their parents to subsidise costs thus work p/t or live closer to home (simply choosing the uni closest to them, which may not be that good).
I don't know- I'm just feeling a little upset that even after graduation there isn't equality.
I don't know- I'm just feeling a little upset that even after graduation there isn't equality.
TELEPATHICTUBBY
I've just read an article saying that uni graduates who are from working class families tend to go in to lower paid jobs than their middle class counterparts. The main reasons for this being that they don't have their parents to subsidise costs thus work p/t or live closer to home (simply choosing the uni closest to them, which may not be that good).
I don't know- I'm just feeling a little upset that even after graduation there isn't equality.
I don't know- I'm just feeling a little upset that even after graduation there isn't equality.
Crikey, sheep will start flying when my parents subsidise my university education. I'm middle class, I even go to a public school...though not an expensive one. I'm getting out a loan, and keeping a p/t job at uni definitely.
This isnt my opinion this has been found to be true in research: working class students are no less intelligent than middle/upper class students but them and thier parents lack the ambition to improve and therfore they dont get as good jobs as you said before, in our college i know several people who are goin to top unis (cambridge, leeds, durham, oxford) to do sciences, not one of them is working class, the majority of all my classes (maths physics and chem and biology) are filled with middle class people, working class for whatever reason dont seem to take hard subjects in whatever field not only science, when i visited the warwick law school all there seemed middle/upper class
cobra01977
This isnt my opinion this has been found to be true in research: working class students are no less intelligent than middle/upper class students but them and thier parents lack the ambition to improve and therfore they dont get as good jobs as you said before, in our college i know several people who are goin to top unis (cambridge, leeds, durham, oxford) to do sciences, not one of them is working class, the majority of all my classes (maths physics and chem and biology) are filled with middle class people, working class for whatever reason dont seem to take hard subjects in whatever field not only science, when i visited the warwick law school all there seemed middle/upper class
Intelligence has nothing to do with it, working class people don't have the same privileges as the middle/upper classes therefore will not have the same level of education. Also a lot of working class people cannot afford to move out when they go to university and this restricts their choices.
Also a lot of working class people feel intimited by the snobby people found at the better universities so would rather avoid them. Working class people tend to have much more stressful home lifes and cannot spend as much time on study as the middle classes.
Imagine a scenero where you live in 2 up two down sharing with 4 other brothers and sisters, it would be very hard to get good A levels in this environment.
"Working class people tend to have much more stressful home lifes and cannot spend as much time on study as the middle classes."
This is not always true, I would probably be considered middle class, but that doesn't mean my home life isn't stressfull. I have a mother with MS and I have to look after her and study for my A2's this year. This statement is an unfair assumption. Many of my friends who would also be considered middle class also have very stressfull home lives so it isn't just me.
Top up fees effect both the working and middle classes because the amount of debt being built up is the same. I don't expect my parents to bail me out of debt after uni I have to do that myself. Also I think it is unfair when people say that students from less well off homes have fewer advantages because I have been to non- fee paying non selective schools all my life and I have turned out ok. I think that everyone who is willing to work at uni will come out with a the degree same degree and it doesn't matter what class you come from. If you try hard enough you can achieve alot.
This is not always true, I would probably be considered middle class, but that doesn't mean my home life isn't stressfull. I have a mother with MS and I have to look after her and study for my A2's this year. This statement is an unfair assumption. Many of my friends who would also be considered middle class also have very stressfull home lives so it isn't just me.
Top up fees effect both the working and middle classes because the amount of debt being built up is the same. I don't expect my parents to bail me out of debt after uni I have to do that myself. Also I think it is unfair when people say that students from less well off homes have fewer advantages because I have been to non- fee paying non selective schools all my life and I have turned out ok. I think that everyone who is willing to work at uni will come out with a the degree same degree and it doesn't matter what class you come from. If you try hard enough you can achieve alot.
QUOTE=randdom]"Working class people tend to have much more stressful home lifes and cannot spend as much time on study as the middle classes."
This is not always true, I would probably be considered middle class, but that doesn't mean my home life isn't stressfull. I have a mother with MS and I have to look after her and study for my A2's this year. This statement is an unfair assumption. Many of my friends who would also be considered middle class also have very stressfull home lives so it isn't just me.
Top up fees effect both the working and middle classes because the amount of debt being built up is the same. I don't expect my parents to bail me out of debt after uni I have to do that myself. Also I think it is unfair when people say that students from less well off homes have fewer advantages because I have been to non- fee paying non selective schools all my life and I have turned out ok. I think that everyone who is willing to work at uni will come out with a the degree same degree and it doesn't matter what class you come from. If you try hard enough you can achieve alot.
I am middle class myself but didn't have the best start to education. I was just generalising as much as the thread starter was. You are more likely to need to look after ill family if you working class simply because the working class tend to have more health problems. Of course somthing like MS can happen to andybody and is not class related where as other illnesses are directly rated to class (aka diet etc).
The lower middle class are more like working class financialy anyway, they have different attitudes to live and technicaly their parents will probably have different jobs. Its all a load of crap though to be honest. I was just offering an explanation to the facts other than IQ.
This is not always true, I would probably be considered middle class, but that doesn't mean my home life isn't stressfull. I have a mother with MS and I have to look after her and study for my A2's this year. This statement is an unfair assumption. Many of my friends who would also be considered middle class also have very stressfull home lives so it isn't just me.
Top up fees effect both the working and middle classes because the amount of debt being built up is the same. I don't expect my parents to bail me out of debt after uni I have to do that myself. Also I think it is unfair when people say that students from less well off homes have fewer advantages because I have been to non- fee paying non selective schools all my life and I have turned out ok. I think that everyone who is willing to work at uni will come out with a the degree same degree and it doesn't matter what class you come from. If you try hard enough you can achieve alot.
I am middle class myself but didn't have the best start to education. I was just generalising as much as the thread starter was. You are more likely to need to look after ill family if you working class simply because the working class tend to have more health problems. Of course somthing like MS can happen to andybody and is not class related where as other illnesses are directly rated to class (aka diet etc).
The lower middle class are more like working class financialy anyway, they have different attitudes to live and technicaly their parents will probably have different jobs. Its all a load of crap though to be honest. I was just offering an explanation to the facts other than IQ.
yeh its nothing really to do with IQ.. just different asirations, maybe few people in working calss families have been to uni therefore it seems like an unattainable/not worthwhile goal if you either think youre stupid/ or see your parents doing fine without a degree..
argh this really annoys me. im working class but at my school the majority arent and although i hadnt really noticed it much before, recently the differences have been really shown.especially since having talks on finances and loans which sparked up lots of debate.
i predicted AAB for a levels, so i could have applied to rar de rar, but i chose not to because i feel i wouldnt fit in nor do i want to study study all the time. this isnt to say thats all what people do but the reputations and from looking around at places have given me that impression. it wasnt because of aspirations or what not... its that i dont place 100% emphasis on studies and my education kind of thing?
and im not being narrow minded or whatever because like i said at my scool the majority are middleclass and the majority of these people are extremely nice people. its just the minority who give the negative impression. as with the working class, generalisations are just silly cus its all based on stereotypes and everything.
yea... rant over
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i predicted AAB for a levels, so i could have applied to rar de rar, but i chose not to because i feel i wouldnt fit in nor do i want to study study all the time. this isnt to say thats all what people do but the reputations and from looking around at places have given me that impression. it wasnt because of aspirations or what not... its that i dont place 100% emphasis on studies and my education kind of thing?
and im not being narrow minded or whatever because like i said at my scool the majority are middleclass and the majority of these people are extremely nice people. its just the minority who give the negative impression. as with the working class, generalisations are just silly cus its all based on stereotypes and everything.
yea... rant over
x
chaaa
argh this really annoys me. im working class but at my school the majority arent and although i hadnt really noticed it much before, recently the differences have been really shown.especially since having talks on finances and loans which sparked up lots of debate.
i predicted AAB for a levels, so i could have applied to rar de rar, but i chose not to because i feel i wouldnt fit in nor do i want to study study all the time. this isnt to say thats all what people do but the reputations and from looking around at places have given me that impression. it wasnt because of aspirations or what not... its that i dont place 100% emphasis on studies and my education kind of thing?
and im not being narrow minded or whatever because like i said at my scool the majority are middleclass and the majority of these people are extremely nice people. its just the minority who give the negative impression. as with the working class, generalisations are just silly cus its all based on stereotypes and everything.
yea... rant over
x
i predicted AAB for a levels, so i could have applied to rar de rar, but i chose not to because i feel i wouldnt fit in nor do i want to study study all the time. this isnt to say thats all what people do but the reputations and from looking around at places have given me that impression. it wasnt because of aspirations or what not... its that i dont place 100% emphasis on studies and my education kind of thing?
and im not being narrow minded or whatever because like i said at my scool the majority are middleclass and the majority of these people are extremely nice people. its just the minority who give the negative impression. as with the working class, generalisations are just silly cus its all based on stereotypes and everything.
yea... rant over
x
I think this is why my sister has rejected York and Warwick in favour of Lancaster.
One of the most sucessful graduates I know (my old tutor at college) did his degree at Liverpool John Moore's, waa bought up in a council estate, yet he did so well in life because he always had realistic expectations rather than over the top ones.
TELEPATHICTUBBY
I've just read an article saying that uni graduates who are from working class families tend to go in to lower paid jobs than their middle class counterparts. The main reasons for this being that they don't have their parents to subsidise costs thus work p/t or live closer to home (simply choosing the uni closest to them, which may not be that good).
I don't know- I'm just feeling a little upset that even after graduation there isn't equality.
I don't know- I'm just feeling a little upset that even after graduation there isn't equality.
Thats the reality though. Middle/upper class students normally have parents that are better connected to help them in the job market too. Thats life, they are doing their best to make it equal but theres no such thing as complete equality.
amazingtrade
I think this is why my sister has rejected York and Warwick in favour of Lancaster.
One of the most sucessful graduates I know (my old tutor at college) did his degree at Liverpool John Moore's, waa bought up in a council estate, yet he did so well in life because he always had realistic expectations rather than over the top ones.
One of the most sucessful graduates I know (my old tutor at college) did his degree at Liverpool John Moore's, waa bought up in a council estate, yet he did so well in life because he always had realistic expectations rather than over the top ones.
Neither York nor Warwick are particularly snobby.
The Access Acheme in Oxford (which encourages kids from disadvantaged areas to apply) used to be sponsored by Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs have now pulled out of sponsoring them. Why? Because the graduates which the Access Scheme was producing didn't then go on to work for Goldman Sachs. So a study was set up into the graduate destinations of working and middle class students, and it found that working class students are more likely to go into public sector jobs which generally bring lower salaries, whereas middle class students tended to opt for high-flying City jobs which were better-paid. This study compared graduates whose degrees were equal, so it showed that it was an active choice on the part of some working class students to take jobs which offered less money, but perhaps other things instead. Interesting.
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