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Roe V Wade....for Men

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/fatherhood.suit.ap/index.html

I found this be an interesting article.

I think that a man should be able to not pay child support should he choose not to. I think that as long as a woman should have the right to choose whether or not to have a child, so should a man.

I think that this will do a couple things good for society:

A) If a woman knows that she may have to be alone in raising a child, she make take more precautions when engaging in sexual activity, or even better have sex less often.

B) It gives SOME rights to a man. For one, I am torn between Pro-Choice and Pro-Life. Mainly because I know I would love a child just as much as the mother would, and I have NO say in whether or not MY child lives or dies.

I had a very close friend take his own life because his girlfriend got pregnant and had an abortion, and didn't tell him about the pregnancy until after the abortion. He couldn't handle the pressure of losing his child, and buckled. That is very unfair, as he would have been a wonderful father.

That being said, I feel better knowing I have the choice whether or not to partake in the life of the child.
I hope he wins his court case.

Both parents are equally responsible for a child? Then both should have an equal choice in whether or not to raise it.

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Rusty33
A) If a woman knows that she may have to be alone in raising a child, she make take more precautions when engaging in sexual activity, or even better have sex less often.
That's a good thing for us men... how?
Reply 2
JonathanH
That's a good thing for us men... how?


To quote Dave Chapelle:

"Chivalry got killed by the feminist movement on them magazines that got women going crazy. Because women got too much advise about men from other women. And they don’t know what the **** they talking about. And its true. I see this **** in the magazines. I don’t read them but I seeing the cover, ever be in the grocery store fella looks at a magazine and wonder ‘what is this?’ and it says on the cover ‘100 Ways to Please your Man’ by some lady. Get out of here man come on, there ain’t no 100 ways, there is 4 things to do. Just suck his ****, play with his *****, fix him a sandwich and don’t talk so much and then he’d be happy.

And then the magazines trick the women. The magazines start picking at your self esteem. Every page you turn you start feeling fatter and uglier and you feel like your clothes aren’t good enough. And the magazines have you forgetting how ****ing beautiful you are. And that’s what happens. And looks what happens. And then you forget how beautiful you are we all suffer. If pu**y was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you’ve flooded the market with it. You are giving it away too easy. I’m just being truthful. I’m just talking."

Besides, I enjoy the chase. Less supply = more demand = more competition. I say bring it on. :wink:
Reply 3
I think that you may have a point- but one must look at individual situations as men could use such a law to evade a responsability which they had at one stage agreed to or wanted. But I think that men do deserve some form of equailty- but it must be controlled.
Unfortunately, this would be best served by signing a contract to the effect of saying "I do not assume financial responsibility in the instance that this recreational activity produces a child." Somehow, I doubt that would catch on.
Reply 5
psychic_satori
Unfortunately, this would be best served by signing a contract to the effect of saying "I do not assume financial responsibility in the instance that this recreational activity produces a child." Somehow, I doubt that would catch on.


It'd be nice if you could stick a disclaimer on your door.

Or do what the train companies do 'this ride comes subject to our standard conditions of carriage'
Reply 6
Rusty33


I had a very close friend take his own life because his girlfriend got pregnant and had an abortion, and didn't tell him about the pregnancy until after the abortion. He couldn't handle the pressure of losing his child, and buckled. That is very unfair, as he would have been a wonderful father.



He would not have made a wonderful father. People with suicidal tendencies are not as a rule ideal parenting material.

I hate to say it but your friend was a seriously unbalanced individual if he was driven to take his own life over an event like this. He may have had jolly good reason to be very pissed but thats about it.
How is women having sex less often "good for society"?


That is very unfair, as he would have been a wonderful father.


Great, but it wasn't her job to provide him with the opportunity to become one.
Reply 8
morningtheft


Great, but it wasn't her job to provide him with the opportunity to become one.


I agree. And I am repulsed to the point of vomiting by this new breed of baby-obsessed men. Bunch of soft ****es if you ask me.
Reply 9
morningtheft
How is women having sex less often "good for society"?


I knew some neo-feminist sort would leap on this.

He doesn't state it would - he merely says it'd be better, and is referring to methods of preventing pregnancy.

And keeping your underpants up is obviously the best method of not getting pregnant.
I think that this will do a couple things good for society:


Why would it be better for society that women have less sex? Besides less single mothers... but it sounded like he was saying "Woohoo, the fear of becoming a single mother will lead to less women having sex, which is good for society!!" instead of "Woohoo, less women having sex will lead to less single mothers, which is good for society!!"

I'm wondering why, if unwanted pregnancy is guaranteed not to happen, women not having sex (in itself) would be good for society...?
Reply 11
Howard
He would not have made a wonderful father. People with suicidal tendencies are not as a rule ideal parenting material.

I hate to say it but your friend was a seriously unbalanced individual if he was driven to take his own life over an event like this. He may have had jolly good reason to be very pissed but thats about it.


**** you.
Reply 12
morningtheft
How is women having sex less often "good for society"?




Great, but it wasn't her job to provide him with the opportunity to become one.


How not? It is HIS child just as much as it is hers.
Reply 13
Rusty33
**** you.


Temper.
Rusty33
How not? It is HIS child just as much as it is hers.


If he wanted a child so badly, he should've found a woman who wanted to have one with him. :rolleyes: It's nobody else's responsibility to make him one, just because he thinks it'd be fun to be a father.

And if it's "HIS child just as much as it is hers," then why should his choice override hers? The child is both of theirs equally, isn't that what you're saying?
Reply 15
Rusty33
How not? It is HIS child just as much as it is hers.


Until the child is born he's nothing more than a sperm donor. Get over it.
Reply 16
Howard
I agree. And I am repulsed to the point of vomiting by this new breed of baby-obsessed men. Bunch of soft ****es if you ask me.


Soft? Taking care of resposibility, and being a good parent is being a p****? Are you not "man" enough to own up to your responsibilites? Or, are you not man enough to be a father? I'm dying to here how being a good parent is being a p****.
Reply 17
Howard
Until the child is born he's nothing more than a sperm donor. Get over it.


The issue isn't about before the child is born. It's about after. If he doesn't have a say when the child is unborn, he should have a say when it is born. And, he should have the right to say No.
Reply 18
Howard
Temper.


Justified, too.
Reply 19
Rusty33
Soft? Taking care of resposibility, and being a good parent is being a p****? Are you not "man" enough to own up to your repsosibilites? Or, are you not man enough to be a father? I'm dying to here how being a good parent is being a p****.


Isn't this exactly what your hero in your original post is doing by challenging his financial obligation in court? What a vvanker!