The Student Room Group

upping the ante for massbuilding (workouts)

Scroll to see replies

Reply 20

imasillynarb
You really are shocking dude, you don't have a fkin clue what you're talkin about, if you ate nothing but mars bars all day I would be pulling to bet my house on the fact that you would put on weight, what exactly do you think sugar is? Some sort of pixie dust which your body doesn't use? Its a carbohydrate and after your liver and muscle glycogen stores are full, it'll be converted into fatty acids.

Why should you eat 350grams of protein per day, and stay away from saturated fat, by the way?


Your confusing (or just plain not understanding) complex and refined sugars, and thus would lose your house. I dont suggest you go anywhere near a casino in your life time.

Refined sugars (monosaccarides such as glucose and sucrose, aka table sugar) are found in all sweets, ESPECIALLY mars bars.
Refined sugars have the highest glycemic index, and thus cause your blood sugar levels to rise. Thus your pancreas releases insulin which allows better transport of sugar through cell walls, causing the sugar to be burnt very quickly as energy. This causes your blood sugar levels to crash, (hypoglycemia) Now as your body wants to restore your blood sugar levels, it releases the remaining stored sugars back into the blood stream and you get a high again. The more mars bars you eat the more this crash/rise process will occur. Your body doesnt store nay of them as fat due to this up and down problem, untill it can stabalise itself from burning all the sugars.

HOWEVER

Complex sugars are slow release, found in pasta, bread etc. They are better because they are very slow release.
I said unsaturated fats, (polyunstarated) because if he is skinny and wants to put on some bulk along with the muscle then this is a far healthier option considering the intake volume of fats. Lessens heart disease, and stops the poor blokes cholestrol level going through the roof, allowing his body more time to concentrate on storing nutrients and vitamins and also any remaining complex sugars.
Stick to olive oil in cooking, and olive oil spread, they are packed with calories, but not with cholestrol.

For someone on a body building diet, it is necessary after training, for your body to repair its muscles cells. The tearing and repairing of muscles cells increases their size. Its recommend that you intake 1g of proteing for each pound you weight. lets assume hes about 11stone, maybe i over estimated due to my own intake. roughly he needa around 160-200gm of protein, but seeing as hes on a mass building diet and workingout he will need a bit more, doesnt matter if you take in to much protein.
During a training program 300-350gm of protein is the recommend amount for a hard gainer.

Happy now.
Mars bars = not gona put on any weight, pasta = gain
If you want to take a healthy approach then stay away from chocolate.

Reply 21

dan1982

Happy now.
Mars bars = not gona put on any weight, pasta = gain
If you want to take a healthy approach then stay away from chocolate.



?? Are you being serious? Excess sugar is stored as fat - increased metabolism isn't the only way the body deals with excess sugar.

Reply 22

he could have meant weight mars bars not going to put on any muscular weight as opposed to putting on fat

Reply 23

Apagg
?? Are you being serious? Excess sugar is stored as fat - increased metabolism isn't the only way the body deals with excess sugar.


screw it im not gona bother writing any more years of learning, practise and fact, for stupid answers like am i being serious, followed by the excess sugar is stored as fat cause i heard it was.

Reply 24

Where are you getting your information from? If it's from a Biology degree I'll listen, but at the moment you're in conflict with A level biology and every website I can google.


excess sugar in the diet can actually add directly to body fat

http://www.nutritionaustralia.org/Food_Facts/FAQ/sugar_detailed_faq.asp


The body's storage capacity for carbohydrates is quite limited, though, so here's what happens to all the excess: they are converted, via insulin, into fat and stored in the adipose, or fatty, tissue.

http://www.mercola.com/article/insulin.htm

So what are you talking about? Sugar -> fat.
Do you mean it won't lead to muscle gain?

Reply 25

your confusing the fact i just outlined if you had read it, the differences in sugars. Im not saying they wont be stored, i was finishing the arguement that if u only ate mars bars you wouldnt put on weight, the sugars are to intense for your body. Its like putting rocket fuel in a motorbike. the sugars in mars bars dont exist in nature they are refined, and thus not ment for oyur body.

taken from your link.

It is not the fat in the foods we eat but, far more, the excess carbohydrates from our starch- and sugar-loaded diet that is making people fat and unhealthy, and leading to epidemic levels of a host of diseases such as diabetes.

basically its saying that starch being a complex carb found in rice and pasta along with table sugar is making us unhealthy.
A combination of the two will cause your blood sugar levels to rise with the long strained sugars are stored.
Once again leading back to my point eat pasta, and avoid mar bars, as they wont do anything on there own.


Even worse, high insulin levels suppress two other important hormones - glucagons and growth hormones - that are responsible for burning fat and sugar and promoting muscle development


even more reason to avoid.
right thats it no more ever, im off out on a date, moan at me all you want, because i cannot be assed anymore.

Reply 26

Ill step in again and say that it is my understanding that it is fully accepted in the scientific community that glucose IS a de novo lipogenic substrate. I disagree completely with your belief that simple carbs can not result in fat gain :/

Reply 27

Refined sugars (monosaccarides such as glucose and sucrose, aka table sugar) are found in all sweets, ESPECIALLY mars bars.
Refined sugars have the highest glycemic index, and thus cause your blood sugar levels to rise. Thus your pancreas releases insulin which allows better transport of sugar through cell walls, causing the sugar to be burnt very quickly as energy. This causes your blood sugar levels to crash, (hypoglycemia) Now as your body wants to restore your blood sugar levels, it releases the remaining stored sugars back into the blood stream and you get a high again. The more mars bars you eat the more this crash/rise process will occur. Your body doesnt store nay of them as fat due to this up and down problem, untill it can stabalise itself from burning all the sugars.




I was always under the impression insulin spikes should be avoided as they meant an increase in fat storage. Hence why i started to get a bit of a podge when i drank over a gallon of milk a day.

Reply 28

i found doing press ups does my abs a whole lot of good


wat i do is arms just little more than should width apart do around 10-15

then bring ur arms almost in line with shoulds and 10-15 again

then back to little more than arms width
and back to should width

that then is like 1 rep if u get wat i mean

Reply 29

dan1982
Your confusing (or just plain not understanding) complex and refined sugars, and thus would lose your house. I dont suggest you go anywhere near a casino in your life time.

Refined sugars (monosaccarides such as glucose and sucrose, aka table sugar) are found in all sweets, ESPECIALLY mars bars.
Refined sugars have the highest glycemic index, and thus cause your blood sugar levels to rise. Thus your pancreas releases insulin which allows better transport of sugar through cell walls, causing the sugar to be burnt very quickly as energy. This causes your blood sugar levels to crash, (hypoglycemia) Now as your body wants to restore your blood sugar levels, it releases the remaining stored sugars back into the blood stream and you get a high again. The more mars bars you eat the more this crash/rise process will occur. Your body doesnt store nay of them as fat due to this up and down problem, untill it can stabalise itself from burning all the sugars.

HOWEVER

Complex sugars are slow release, found in pasta, bread etc. They are better because they are very slow release.
I said unsaturated fats, (polyunstarated) because if he is skinny and wants to put on some bulk along with the muscle then this is a far healthier option considering the intake volume of fats. Lessens heart disease, and stops the poor blokes cholestrol level going through the roof, allowing his body more time to concentrate on storing nutrients and vitamins and also any remaining complex sugars.
Stick to olive oil in cooking, and olive oil spread, they are packed with calories, but not with cholestrol.

For someone on a body building diet, it is necessary after training, for your body to repair its muscles cells. The tearing and repairing of muscles cells increases their size. Its recommend that you intake 1g of proteing for each pound you weight. lets assume hes about 11stone, maybe i over estimated due to my own intake. roughly he needa around 160-200gm of protein, but seeing as hes on a mass building diet and workingout he will need a bit more, doesnt matter if you take in to much protein.
During a training program 300-350gm of protein is the recommend amount for a hard gainer.

Happy now.
Mars bars = not gona put on any weight, pasta = gain
If you want to take a healthy approach then stay away from chocolate.


You are painfully ****ing stupid, its actually angering me.

Refined sugars do not have the highest glycemic index.

"Now as your body wants to restore your blood sugar levels, it releases the remaining stored sugars back into the blood stream and you get a high again"

Stored sugars? Where are these stored sugars?

"Complex sugars" - name me a complex sugars please? I don't think they exists, do you mean complex carbohydrates?

Not all complex carbohydrates are slow release, maltodextrin for instance.

You don't even have a basic understanding of cholesterol, so pointless explaining that one. You still haven't told me why he should avoid saturated fats?

How do you know he is a hard gainer? Why will 350 grams help him gain muscle as a hard gainer?

Reply 30

dan1982
your confusing the fact i just outlined if you had read it, the differences in sugars. Im not saying they wont be stored, i was finishing the arguement that if u only ate mars bars you wouldnt put on weight, the sugars are to intense for your body. Its like putting rocket fuel in a motorbike. the sugars in mars bars dont exist in nature they are refined, and thus not ment for oyur body.

taken from your link.

It is not the fat in the foods we eat but, far more, the excess carbohydrates from our starch- and sugar-loaded diet that is making people fat and unhealthy, and leading to epidemic levels of a host of diseases such as diabetes.

basically its saying that starch being a complex carb found in rice and pasta along with table sugar is making us unhealthy.
A combination of the two will cause your blood sugar levels to rise with the long strained sugars are stored.
Once again leading back to my point eat pasta, and avoid mar bars, as they wont do anything on there own.



even more reason to avoid.
right thats it no more ever, im off out on a date, moan at me all you want, because i cannot be assed anymore.


You just proved yourself wrong. I don't need to say anything else.

Your lack of biological knowledge is astounding

Reply 31

dan1982
your confusing the fact i just outlined if you had read it, the differences in sugars. Im not saying they wont be stored, i was finishing the arguement that if u only ate mars bars you wouldnt put on weight, the sugars are to intense for your body. Its like putting rocket fuel in a motorbike. the sugars in mars bars dont exist in nature they are refined, and thus not ment for oyur body.

taken from your link.

It is not the fat in the foods we eat but, far more, the excess carbohydrates from our starch- and sugar-loaded diet that is making people fat and unhealthy, and leading to epidemic levels of a host of diseases such as diabetes.

basically its saying that starch being a complex carb found in rice and pasta along with table sugar is making us unhealthy.
A combination of the two will cause your blood sugar levels to rise with the long strained sugars are stored.
Once again leading back to my point eat pasta, and avoid mar bars, as they wont do anything on there own.



even more reason to avoid.
right thats it no more ever, im off out on a date, moan at me all you want, because i cannot be assed anymore.


I can't believe I'm arguing with someone that eating alot of mars bars won't cause you to gain weight, if it didn't don't you think people would just eat mars bars all day long?

Reply 32

l1ncs
I was always under the impression insulin spikes should be avoided as they meant an increase in fat storage. Hence why i started to get a bit of a podge when i drank over a gallon of milk a day.


Milk doesn't cause such a large insulin spike actually, it'll be more to do with the fact that a gallon of milk a day is an extra however many calories in your diet.

Reply 33

dan1982
your confusing the fact i just outlined if you had read it, the differences in sugars. Im not saying they wont be stored, i was finishing the arguement that if u only ate mars bars you wouldnt put on weight, the sugars are to intense for your body. Its like putting rocket fuel in a motorbike. the sugars in mars bars dont exist in nature they are refined, and thus not ment for oyur body.

taken from your link.

It is not the fat in the foods we eat but, far more, the excess carbohydrates from our starch- and sugar-loaded diet that is making people fat and unhealthy, and leading to epidemic levels of a host of diseases such as diabetes.

basically its saying that starch being a complex carb found in rice and pasta along with table sugar is making us unhealthy.
A combination of the two will cause your blood sugar levels to rise with the long strained sugars are stored.
Once again leading back to my point eat pasta, and avoid mar bars, as they wont do anything on there own.



even more reason to avoid.
right thats it no more ever, im off out on a date, moan at me all you want, because i cannot be assed anymore.

:rolleyes:

Reply 34

dan1982
your confusing the fact i just outlined if you had read it, the differences in sugars. Im not saying they wont be stored, i was finishing the arguement that if u only ate mars bars you wouldnt put on weight, the sugars are to intense for your body. Its like putting rocket fuel in a motorbike. the sugars in mars bars dont exist in nature they are refined, and thus not ment for oyur body.

taken from your link.

It is not the fat in the foods we eat but, far more, the excess carbohydrates from our starch- and sugar-loaded diet that is making people fat and unhealthy, and leading to epidemic levels of a host of diseases such as diabetes.

basically its saying that starch being a complex carb found in rice and pasta along with table sugar is making us unhealthy.
A combination of the two will cause your blood sugar levels to rise with the long strained sugars are stored.
Once again leading back to my point eat pasta, and avoid mar bars, as they wont do anything on there own.



even more reason to avoid.
right thats it no more ever, im off out on a date, moan at me all you want, because i cannot be assed anymore.


I think the problem arose in your original post where you started talking about complex and simple sugars... had you been said complex and simple carbohydrates as they are often refered to, I would have known exactly what you were talking about, rather then after five minutes wondering what you were on.

Mars bars contain lots of calories which will make you fat... i don't care about the science at the moment... but they do, so don't eat them fatty.

Reply 35

Milk doesn't cause such a large insulin spike actually, it'll be more to do with the fact that a gallon of milk a day is an extra however many calories in your diet.


You are probably right, however the ratio of sugary carbs to fats (correct me if im wrong but i think that is basically what defines the GI index) is pretty high, especially in skimmed milk

Reply 36

l1ncs
You are probably right, however the ratio of sugary carbs to fats (correct me if im wrong but i think that is basically what defines the GI index) is pretty high, especially in skimmed milk


Thats not what really defines GI, no, milk does contain sugars, as it contains the milk sugar lactose. However this is digested into glucose and galactose or absorbed as lactose - so you have three different sugars entering your blood - all with different effects in insulin, hence milk actually has quite a low GI. Also, the protein content has a lowering effect on the GI and II.

Reply 37

imasillynarb
Thats not what really defines GI, no, milk does contain sugars, as it contains the milk sugar lactose. However this is digested into glucose and galactose or absorbed as lactose - so you have three different sugars entering your blood - all with different effects in insulin, hence milk actually has quite a low GI. Also, the protein content has a lowering effect on the GI and II.


I think with milk the main reason for the low GI is that the whole **** basically curdles in the acidic stomach, and takes ages to digest. I know I certainly feel very full from drinking milk, for a long time afterwards. Milk's GI is something like 30 I think

Reply 38

coupled with the fact that your body just plain doesn't like lactose and casein... infact the majority of the population are allergic to milk to some degree.

Reply 39

valid, im not sure how wise it is to drink milk at all

How The Student Room is moderated

To keep The Student Room safe for everyone, we moderate posts that are added to the site.