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NYU or LSE

i know it should be an easy decision since NYU is ranked a lot lower than LSE in the THES rankings but i dont think LSE is that well known in the states and NYU is really well known in the US. i mean if i end up going to LSE i will probably do the LSE/Columbia law program or apply to oxbridge next year. any suggestions? (NYU just feels a lot safer in terms of career and grad school)

Reply 1

WokSz

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ask yourself this: Do you want to live in London or New York?
They're both amazing cities, and both are amazing schools. What I do know is that NYU has some crazy parties. Thing is that where do you want to work later on? If in the US, then NYU would be much better. If europe, then LSE might be a bit better.
However, my overall suggestion is that apply to oxbridge next year. If you get into either, you'll have an amazing CV :smile:

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Reply 2

jimmydoerre3

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WokSz

ask yourself this: Do you want to live in London or New York?
They're both amazing cities, and both are amazing schools. What I do know is that NYU has some crazy parties. Thing is that where do you want to work later on? If in the US, then NYU would be much better. If europe, then LSE might be a bit better.
However, my overall suggestion is that apply to oxbridge next year. If you get into either, you'll have an amazing CV :smile:

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i think i dont really have a preference regarding working in europe or the US, whatever gets me the most i guess. but nyu is getting a bad rep in the US for low standards for undergrad students....

Reply 3

ebonyphoenix

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As a US student who is familiar with both systems somewhat, I'd say LSE over NYU. I think it would carry more weight with employers over here personally. Perhaps the average American may not have heard of LSE, but the people who are going to be hiring will know of it and will be most likely more impressed you went there over NYU. So if you think that NYU might be safer in terms of career prospects, I really would not count on it. LSE is much higher in rankings and US employers will know this.

On the other hand, you have to think about what you want and where you'd feel more comfortable. Are you ready for a change? To mature as a person? Do you really like New York? In that case I'd say NYU because although it's not a highly ranked, you will get so much out of the experience of studying in a foreign country. This cannot be measured by league tables.

Reply 4

Knogle

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ebonyphoenix

As a US student who is familiar with both systems somewhat, I'd say LSE over NYU. I think it would carry more weight with employers over here personally. Perhaps the average American may not have heard of LSE, but the people who are going to be hiring will know of it and will be most likely more impressed you went there over NYU. So if you think that NYU might be safer in terms of career prospects, I really would not count on it. LSE is much higher in rankings and US employers will know this.

On the other hand, you have to think about what you want and where you'd feel more comfortable. Are you ready for a change? To mature as a person? Do you really like New York? In that case I'd say NYU because although it's not a highly ranked, you will get so much out of the experience of studying in a foreign country. This cannot be measured by league tables.

Bingo. The average American might not have heard about LSE, but the HR departments of top firms would most certainly have. And they're the ones who matter.

I don't think you could really go wrong with either, although I encourage you to study at LSE to gain some overseas academic experience. =)

Reply 5

ebonyphoenix

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Hah... realized you were an American, so the stuff about NYU being in a foreign country is obviously irrelevant. My bad. But in this case I'd definitely recommend LSE if you are entirely sure about what you want to study. When else are you going to have the experience of being able to live in the UK for three years?

Reply 6

dede

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I agree that LSE is better known generally, and is definitely more prestigious than NYU. Unless you are studying a subject related to the arts, especially theater, in which case Tisch is incredibly good, I vote LSE.

Reply 7

Knogle

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warblersrule

You'd be surprised how many "average" people have heard of LSE, even high schoolers. NYU isn't the best place for undergrads, which is why Columbia is a bit more popular. However, NYU (Stern) is excellent for business, so it's definitely not a bad choice.

The average Singaporean most certainly hasn't heard of LSE. And considering how people generalise Americans as individuals who live in their own worlds, that's hard to believe. :wink:

But hey, I'm going to LSE, so the more people who know about it, the better!

Reply 8

Tajel

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warblersrule

....NYU isn't the best place for undergrads, which is why Columbia is a bit more popular.....

Columbia is not more popular than NYU. For '09, Columbia had 15,790 applicants. NYU passed that total several years before: it was at ~22,000 for '04 and has risen considerably since. In addidtion, NYU's total yield (percentage of students offered a place who accept and enroll) is now in the 27% area. NYU has the largest undergraduate applicant pool of all private universities in the U.S. and is among the top 20 for all universities in the number of national merit scholars in the undergraduate student body.*

In addition, for the last 2 years, NYU was ranked by the Princeton Review as America's #1 "dream school" (first choice when factors such as the price and the school's selectivity are not considered) among high school seniors.*

*wikipedia

Reply 9

ebonyphoenix

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Perhaps Columbia is not as popular as NYU, but it is certainly more selective. Believe me, the vast majority of students, when asked to make a decision between NYU or Columbia, would most definitely chose Columbia as it is a much more highly regarded institution and you need to do a hell of lot more to get in there.

Reply 10

jimmydoerre3

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Columbia is not as popular cause its admission rate is approaching 10% and is just as hard as harvard to get into. NYU looks a bit less intimidating due to an admission rate of 37% but Columbia is way better than NYU.

Reply 11

jimmydoerre3

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warblersrule

Columbia still has a ways to go to catch up with Harvard in terms of selectivity. Harvard's RD rate for the past two years has been slightly under 6%. With the boom of competitive applications this year, I suspect it will be even lower.

The Revealed Preference Ranking, although a bit statistically unreliable, ranks colleges based on cross-admit data. For example, Harvard wins 70% of the Harvard & Yale cross-admits, so Harvard is ranked higher (#1 and #2, respectively). According to the RPR, Columbia is #8. NYU is #39.

Harvard's acceptance rate is 9% this year and Columbia is at 11%

Reply 12

jimmydoerre3

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warblersrule

Harvard '09
Total apps: 22,796
SCEA apps: 4,214
RD apps: 18,501
Total admits: 2,102
Total admit rate: 9.2%
SCEA admits: 892
SCEA admit rate: 21.2%
SCEA applicants deferred: 3,187
Deferred SCEA applicants admitted RD: 94
RD admits: 1,210
RD admit rate: 6.5%

Columbia '09
Total apps: 18120
Total admits: 2250
Total admit rate: 12.4%

wow, i didnt look at the breakdown.......i just looked at collegeboard, maybe they are wrong cause your statistics look much more specific

Reply 13

shady lane

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Tajel

Columbia is not more popular than NYU. For '09, Columbia had 15,790 applicants. NYU passed that total several years before: it was at ~22,000 for '04 and has risen considerably since. In addidtion, NYU's total yield (percentage of students offered a place who accept and enroll) is now in the 27% area. NYU has the largest undergraduate applicant pool of all private universities in the U.S. and is among the top 20 for all universities in the number of national merit scholars in the undergraduate student body.*

In addition, for the last 2 years, NYU was ranked by the Princeton Review as America's #1 "dream school" (first choice when factors such as the price and the school's selectivity are not considered) among high school seniors.*

*wikipedia

First of all, NYU has a much larger undergraduate population, which would explain the larger number of applications.
NYU: 19,401
Columbia: 7,248
A 27% yield is very high, because the acceptance rate is much higher, and certainly a good number of people choose to go elsewhere.

Secondly, I grew up in New Jersey and know many people who went to both NYU and Columbia and have been to both campuses a number of times. NYU is not considered a top academic school by the people who matter in the US: employers, graduate schools, etc. It is a decent university, as is USC or Wake Forest, but it is not a top university, except for drama (Tisch School of the Arts) or business (Stern). It is probably a "dream school" for most students because most students conceive of themselves having a much better chance getting into NYU than the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, MIT, etc, since most people do not have a chance getting into those schools. They also "dream" that life in NYC will be fun and glamorous, so the top student from some Kansas high school will put NYU tops and imagine her life will be "Sex and the City."

Reply 14

Lorraine.Lam

BTW, anyone applied NYU here?

Reply 15

ehtical

LSE...dude but it depends on what you want to study. Economics is LSE no doubt. Actually LSE if you want a tag ...NYU doesn't have any such tag like harvard or LSE... :smile:

Reply 16

pharmakos

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ehtical

LSE...dude but it depends on what you want to study. Economics is LSE no doubt. Actually LSE if you want a tag ...NYU doesn't have any such tag like harvard or LSE... :smile:

Wrong. First, LSE and Harvard are not on the same level in terms of econ. Second, LSE has the best econ department in the UK, but NYU's econ depart, though not the best in the US, is at least on par with LSE's in terms of research output. You'll may simply google to find out world rankings in econ .

Reply 17

Frapps

just out of interest, i thought i would post this rumour (not sure if it is true, as i saw it on the news but cannot recall for certain). apparently, monica lewinsky is applying to study economics at LSE (not sure if its a BSc or a MSc...). so, if sh's american, and she's going to LSE, it must be well known. also, good employers in the US will have certainly hears of LSE. so u've got to think about these things... it also depends on where you want to go in life... lse could open many doors for you in europe, or even in america, and vice versa... so it's really up to u, where you want to live, and what type of course /career you're looking for.