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Carr Saunders Halls, LSE
London School of Economics
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Choices for third year BSc Econ Help

Hey guys

First a bit of background. I have already done the following: MA100, ST102, EC102, AC100, EC202, EC210, EC221, MA201, MA200.

Just looking for some advice on course choices for next year. So far I have decided I definitely want to do

EC307 Development Economics
EC301 Advanced Economic Analysis

I need to decide on the other two.

Choice 3: EC309(Econometric Theory) or EC333(Problems of Applied Econometrics)?- I have heard 309 is really difficult to deal with, but given how I really enjoyed EC221, which module would be a better choice? Would choosing EC333 help me in doing better in EC307 since it uses a lot of Econometrics?Also, how difficult is EC309? Would I find myself spending a disproportionate amount of time on it? I have seen the content and it seems incomprehensible, unlike EC333, which I can seem to access and I sort of know what I can expect.

Choice 4: MA301 (Game Theory I)+ MA305 (Optimization in Function Spaces)/FM212 (Principles of Finance)/EC317 (L:abour Economics) - MA301 looks accessible, and I really liked Game Theory from EC202. However, 305 looks really scary. I thought the same for MA200 when I first saw it but it was fine by exam time. Also, the module builds on MA200, but I'm not exactly sure how. All I can tell is that it's more Calculus. As for the other two, I was considering FM212 since most people who did it this year liked it a lot, and I am blindly assuming it will be easier than the above 3 modules. Labour Economics seems interesting, but I don't know the level of difficulty it will pose. I really want to do the Maths modules, but will they be too much to handle given the first three choices? Should I reconsider the first three choices?

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! :colondollar:
Reply 1
Don't do MA305 - given that you've done no abstract maths, it's not a good choice I think. I mean I know you know what a function space is, but it's one of the tougher maths courses and I'd expect it to be quite abstract in places. For example, you probably have no idea what uniform convergence means, but I'm pretty sure it'll be a big part of MA305. You CAN probably do it with little to no knowledge of abstract maths (after all, they will teach you what uniform convergence is), but the point is that your mind hasn't been trained in the right way to do a course like MA305, even though you don't necessarily need the KNOWLEDGE of abstract maths (you just need the right thought process). That's just my opinion though, but I haven't actually studied MA305, so you should e-mail Dr. Sasane and ask.

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MA301 is supposed to be really easy, the second half (covered in MA300) is not easy, but doable. I don't think it's gonna be much like EC202, I think it's more like proving stuff, but it's supposed to be fairly straightforward.

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FM212 is a waste of time in my opinion if you've done or are going to do a good internship over the summer or something. It probably is the easiest option out of your choices in the sense that it's not intellectually tough, just a lot of boring stuff to learn (it's definitely not easy to get a First in this course though, probably still EASIER than your others).

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Labour is not supposed to be hard - it'll be easier than EC301 and EC307 for sure. It's kind of just average. I think the problem people have with it is that the lecturer doesn't use slides, s/he writes on the whiteboard like school and you sit there copying it down I've heard.

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EC309 has a term of probability theory. What this means is that you'll learn how to think about probabilities FORMALLY, you'll talk about exactly what a probability space is, how you define a sigma field on that space (which is a set of events) and then a probability measure on that space. The aim is to basically get to the point of being able to talk about the law of large numbers properly. You know how in EC221 they just say "by some law of large numbers, if the stuff is i.i.d then the sample moment converges in plim to the population moment"? You'll talk about what plim really means and why this convergence works. You'll learn there are different modes of convergence:

Pointwise convergence ==> almost sure convergence ===> plim convergence ==> distributional convergence

Converge in mean ==> plim convergence ==> distributional convergence.

You'll learn what all those convergences mean, when/why one implies the other, and you'll learn how to apply it to various settings. You'll learn stuff like what exactly is a distribution function (CDF) - you learn the 4/5 conditions in ST102, now you need to be able to prove them (stuff like as x tends to infinity, CDF tends to 1; CDF must be right continuous; etc). Then you finally learn about the different types of law of large numbers and how they work.

It's only AFTER you go through this hell that you start doing econometrics in the second term, where it's stuff like 3 staged least squares.

If you're at all interested in doing a Masters, this is a good course. If the first term stuff seems interesting, this is a good course. Otherwise, go with EC333 where I assume it's more like "hmm, so Gauss Markov assumptions don't work in this case, what can we do?"

(bear in mind I've not studied either courses, but I have friends that have done EC309 and I've studied Probability for Finance).

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You can see a rant by me about EC301 in some posts I made a few days ago (just search through my posts).

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As for Development Economics, this is a really tough module. You're taught through actual journal articles that are really meant to be for academics, so it's a lot of reading and it's tough. There is a textbook but I doubt it covers the material properly. Everyone I know who takes this course really hated it around Easter, but at the same time it's a really rewarding course I think if you can put up with all the reading and writing. There's an optional project involved too where you can do some research work if you're interested.

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As a general tip, if you're not on 4 or more Firsts and you're looking to get a First, do yourself a favour and pick one very easy course on purpose. Even if you have little interest in it/it doesn't fit in with your plans for the future, just pick it. It's one of my biggest regrets right now. EC301, EC307 and EC309 are definitely very, very tough courses.

Hope this helps in some way.
(edited 11 years ago)
Carr Saunders Halls, LSE
London School of Economics
London
Reply 2
Original post by Swayum
Don't do MA305 - given that you've done no abstract maths, it's not a good choice I think. I mean I know you know what a function space is, but it's one of the tougher maths courses and I'd expect it to be quite abstract in places. For example, you probably have no idea what uniform convergence means, but I'm pretty sure it'll be a big part of MA305. You CAN probably do it with little to no knowledge of abstract maths (after all, they will teach you what uniform convergence is), but the point is that your mind hasn't been trained in the right way to do a course like MA305, even though you don't necessarily need the KNOWLEDGE of abstract maths (you just need the right thought process). That's just my opinion though, but I haven't actually studied MA305, so you should e-mail Dr. Sasane and ask.

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MA301 is supposed to be really easy, the second half (covered in MA300) is not easy, but doable. I don't think it's gonna be much like EC202, I think it's more like proving stuff, but it's supposed to be fairly straightforward.

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FM212 is a waste of time in my opinion if you've done or are going to do a good internship over the summer or something. It probably is the easiest option out of your choices in the sense that it's not intellectually tough, just a lot of boring stuff to learn (it's definitely not easy to get a First in this course though, probably still EASIER than your others).

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Labour is not supposed to be hard - it'll be easier than EC301 and EC307 for sure. It's kind of just average. I think the problem people have with it is that the lecturer doesn't use slides, s/he writes on the whiteboard like school and you sit there copying it down I've heard.

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EC309 has a term of probability theory. What this means is that you'll learn how to think about probabilities FORMALLY, you'll talk about exactly what a probability space is, how you define a sigma field on that space (which is a set of events) and then a probability measure on that space. The aim is to basically get to the point of being able to talk about the law of large numbers properly. You know how in EC221 they just say "by some law of large numbers, if the stuff is i.i.d then the sample moment converges in plim to the population moment"? You'll talk about what plim really means and why this convergence works. You'll learn there are different modes of convergence:

Pointwise convergence ==> almost sure convergence ===> plim convergence ==> distributional convergence

Converge in mean ==> plim convergence ==> distributional convergence.

You'll learn what all those convergences mean, when/why one implies the other, and you'll learn how to apply it to various settings. You'll learn stuff like what exactly is a distribution function (CDF) - you learn the 4/5 conditions in ST102, now you need to be able to prove them (stuff like as x tends to infinity, CDF tends to 1; CDF must be right continuous; etc). Then you finally learn about the different types of law of large numbers and how they work.

It's only AFTER you go through this hell that you start doing econometrics in the second term, where it's stuff like 3 staged least squares.

If you're at all interested in doing a Masters, this is a good course. If the first term stuff seems interesting, this is a good course. Otherwise, go with EC333 where I assume it's more like "hmm, so Gauss Markov assumptions don't work in this case, what can we do?"

(bear in mind I've not studied either courses, but I have friends that have done EC309 and I've studied Probability for Finance).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You can see a rant by me about EC301 in some posts I made a few days ago (just search through my posts).

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As for Development Economics, this is a really tough module. You're taught through actual journal articles that are really meant to be for academics, so it's a lot of reading and it's tough. There is a textbook but I doubt it covers the material properly. Everyone I know who takes this course really hated it around Easter, but at the same time it's a really rewarding course I think if you can put up with all the reading and writing. There's an optional project involved too where you can do some research work if you're interested.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As a general tip, if you're not on 4 or more Firsts and you're looking to get a First, do yourself a favour and pick one very easy course on purpose. Even if you have little interest in it/it doesn't fit in with your plans for the future, just pick it. It's one of my biggest regrets right now. EC301, EC307 and EC309 are definitely very, very tough courses.

Hope this helps in some way.


Hey man

Thanks for such a detailed response. That was quite helpful. Is it okay if I PM you sometime if I have any questions on EC301, before I decide to choose it?
Reply 3
Original post by AyonFazal
Hey man

Thanks for such a detailed response. That was quite helpful. Is it okay if I PM you sometime if I have any questions on EC301, before I decide to choose it?


It's better to just quote me on the forum as I'm not very good at replying to PMs, but yeah you can.
Reply 4
Hi, I am a second year student at Sciences Po in the Europe-Asia program. My university has an exchange agreement (on the General Course) with the LSE. But in my case it would be a bit unique because mine is a three-year undergraduate degree and, so in essence, after the completion of my third year, potentially at LSE, I would have graduated from my home institution (Sciences Po).
In such a scenario, I had some queries concerning the General Course:

a) Is the General Course at par with other courses offered at LSE to usual undergraduates
b) How would you assess the teaching and guidance on the General Course, particularly in Law, Economics
c) What are the networking opportunities offered by the General Course over the duration of the year, in particular among General Course students (since I reckon there are over 300 each year)
d) Importantly, how well would one, as a General Course student, be able to utilize the Careers Service desk at LSE for potential full-time employment opportunities after the completion of the year

Please try and help at the earliest since I have to hand over my year-abroad options to Sciences Po very soon. Thank you.


Kishan R. Kumar

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