Sion Jenkins - Stepfather of Mudered Billie Jo Jenkins

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Lady_Muck

Totally rhe same opinion of you, I actually felt uncomfortable watching him. Especially as he was blatently lying about beating his wife...A woman has enough trouble coming out to say her husband had been hitting her, especially if she was lying.

Horrible man.

he created the creeps whilst watching him didnt he with those beady black eyes, he didnt exactly create viewer symapthy did he. although I could imagine him to be on the defensive after being ripped apart by the prosecution so many times, but nah. even that doesnt excuse it.

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He was found 'not guilty' - there were 3 trials were there not? I just don't believe it to be as crystal clear, black and white, as you guys feel.

Whether he murdered the girl or he didn't, Mr Jenkins has served a good number of years in prison, he's been through the courts so much, so he has been through a degree of living hell surely? And if he really is innocent, i feel terribly sorry for him. The thing with you guys, you're all saying that he looks and sounds the dodgy type, one you can't trust and believe, because you know about all this, about the history surrounding him...skewed opinions arguably.

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-Kav-

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The trouble you would face in declaring him guilty was the sheer lack of evidence to support the decision. After it was demonstrated that the blood on his clothing could have been expelled from the body after the event, the case was all but non-existent. No jury could possibly have convicted him in good conscience whatever they felt about him as a person.

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yorkshirelass

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I think you'll find that in the second retrial, Sion Jenkins got off not because he was found to be not guilty, but because the jury could not reach a verdict and it was felt that too much money had already been poured into his case... thus he essentially got off on a technicality. I personally think he did it. There's so much evidence that points to him, and given his history of wife-beating, teacher-pupil relationship and fraud, it would not seem out of character. Incidentally my mother is a social worker and Billie-Jo used to be under a care order in her borough. A few years before she died she arranged contact between Billie-Jo and her natural father and met Sion Jenkins on numerous occasions. Apparently he was "really charming". Let's just say, I don't trust her judgement of character.

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white_haired_wizard

He was found 'not guilty' - there were 3 trials were there not? I just don't believe it to be as crystal clear, black and white, as you guys feel.

he wasnt found innocent, and one step further down than that he wasnt even found not guilty. he was aquitted. lots of difference.

like yellwakietalkie says above.

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El Scotto

he wasnt found innocent, and one step further down than that he wasnt even found not guilty. he was aquitted. lots of difference.

like yellwakietalkie says above.

I understand that. Ok, so he was acquitted - so that's not a verdict of 'not guilty' then? I don't know Law you see, i read reports a month or so back regarding the trials.

It's worrying that they had enough information to feel comfortable enough to have convicted Mr Jenkins of the murder, yet come a fresh trial, he was acquitted. What led to this acquittal - fresh evidence that did not prove him to be 'not guilty' but demonstrated that something else could well have happened/alternative set of events?

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The problem with yelwalkietalkie's way of thinking is: Just because he has a history which is far from decent, it shouldn't be assumed that because he's done this 'n that, he will have done t'other et cetera....but i'm stating the obvious here and i'm sure you appreciate this line of reasoning. And fraud, teacher-pupil relationships and wife-beating, are on a different platform to murder. I'm just stating the blindingly obvious here, offering my two-cents...probably common-sense to many, particularly those more Law-orientated.

Also...Mr Jenkins was interviewed by Trevor McDonald (i think he's pretty useless myself), McDonald asked him whether he was a wife-beater, and Jenkins vehemently denied the accusations. So he has denied, but is there official records/documentation that states he has done? ie. that it is a fact that he has delivered beatings to his wife, partaken in teacher-pupil relations and so forth.

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Scots_Law

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I'm not sure if he killed his daughter or not but he is definately a fantasist and a liar (as indicated by his false qualifications). If you watch the interview closely you will notice that he does a lot of lip-licking and blinking which is said to be the sign of lieing (this was apparent when Bill Clinton was interviewed concerning his affair with Monica Lowinski (sp?)). I also think (as a previous poster has mentioned) that he is lieing about beating his wife and daughters. He is clearly one of those people which a short fuse. If it were on a balance of probability I’d find him guilty, but of course, it’s not.

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white_haired_wizard

Also...Mr Jenkins was interviewed by Trevor McDonald (i think he's pretty useless myself), McDonald asked him whether he was a wife-beater, and Jenkins vehemently denied the accusations. So he has denied, but is there official records/documentation that states he has done? ie. that it is a fact that he has delivered beatings to his wife, partaken in teacher-pupil relations and so forth.

On the show, they had a statement from his daughters saying that hes lying and that he used to beat them.

The only thing I actually think he was telling the truth about was the reason he was lying on his CV.

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Scots_Law

I'm not sure if he killed his daughter or not but he is definately a fantasist and a liar (as indicated by his false qualifications). If you watch the interview closely you will notice that he does a lot of lip-licking and blinking which is said to be the sign of lieing (this was apparent when Bill Clinton was interviewed concerning his affair with Monica Lowinski (sp?)). I also think (as a previous poster has mentioned) that he is lieing about beating his wife and daughters. He is clearly one of those people which a short fuse. If it were on a balance of probability I’d find him guilty, but of course, it’s not.

Well, i'm not too sure about all of that. No doubt Mr Jenkins will be feeling nervous in an interview, whether he is guilty or innocent. Even if he is innocent, he will feel on-edge in interviews as he knows many have suspicions regarding his character and what he could well have done - the murder and various other issues. If i was truly innocent, and only acquitted on the basis of a lack of evidence and not being found 'not guilty', then i'd be feeling nervous, anxious and paranoid....as character assassination continues regardless - i.e. self-fulfilling prophecy of behaviour waiting to be carried out.

Your psycho-analysis, the reasoning of it, it's arguably rather lame. It proves absolutely nothing.

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El Scotto

On the show, they had a statement from his daughters saying that hes lying and that he used to beat them.

The only thing I actually think he was telling the truth about was the reason he was lying on his CV.

Would there be ulterior motives on their behalf to make such statements regarding Mr Jenkins?

i.e. keeping the issue in the news, media etc....income made from selling stories to newspapers et cetera. The financial enrichment prospects for doing this.

What do you think? This is all hypothetical of course.

Reply 13

Scots_Law

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I doubt so many people could be a bad judge of character. People can do something bad and get away with it. Think about the Jackson trial.

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white_haired_wizard

Would there be ulterior motives on their behalf to make such statements regarding Mr Jenkins?

i.e. keeping the issue in the news, media etc....income made from selling stories to newspapers et cetera. The financial enrichment prospects for doing this.

What do you think? This is all hypothetical of course.

I doubt it. At the end of the day, hes their dad.

Some children who have even been sexually abused their whole life by one of their parents still show incredible loyalty to that parent, wheras none of his children has come out to say the opposite.

Though the mum, could of always brainwashed them, but the interview was wrong. obviously he was gonna be on the defensive anyway, but you can just tell he wasnt right.

this man had 4other daughters and adopted billie joe as one of his own, you would of thought he'd have some compassion within him.

If it was my daughter on the floor like that, she wouldnt be out of my arms as she lay there dying. There WOULD be blood on me and I wouldnt need random forensic people to debate how it got there either.

Reply 15

Someone has just left a comment when i've looked at my control profile....saying

"you are a ****"

This comment was in response to my response to yelwalkietalkie' post.
What warranted this comment from that post? It's pathetic and it's pathetic that the poster of that comment does not provide username.

Grow up ok, it's pathetic.

Reply 16

guitargirl03

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I think many of the guys on here were responding to the programme last night.

From what I saw last night, it did sound like he was lying about certain aspects of the case, particularly the part about domestic abuse. But that doesn't necessarily make him guilty.

Also, wizard, someone is allowed to neg rep you and they don't need to leave their username. If they disagree with what you said, then they are welcome to their opinion. Someone neg repped me without leaving a username, and I haven't moaned about it. I think you might need to calm down.

Reply 17

guitargirl03

I think many of the guys on here were responding to the programme last night.

From what I saw last night, it did sound like he was lying about certain aspects of the case, particularly the part about domestic abuse. But that doesn't necessarily make him guilty.

Also, wizard, someone is allowed to neg rep you and they don't need to leave their username. If they disagree with what you said, then they are welcome to their opinion. Someone neg repped me without leaving a username, and I haven't moaned about it. I think you might need to calm down.

Again, guitargirl you don't know what you're talking about.

Somone didn't neg rep me, rather left a comment.... "You are a ****". If that person disagrees he/she should say why in the thread itself or leave me a private message...but he hasn't done any of this, he hasn't posted his opinion - no-one has disagreed with me in this thread, nor disagreed strongly with such an outburst. Absolutely nothing in my posts could possibly have warranted that outburst, i'm increasingly suspecting it's a comment from someone who felt angered by one of my posts on another thread.

Guitargirl - i think you need to stfu as you don't know what you're chatting on about (again).

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guitargirl03

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white_haired_wizard

Again, guitargirl you don't know what you're talking about.

Somone didn't neg rep me, rather left a comment.... "You are a ****". If that person disagrees he/she should say why in the thread itself or leave me a private message...but he hasn't done any of this, he hasn't posted his opinion - no-one has disagreed with me in this thread, nor disagreed strongly with such an outburst. Absolutely nothing in my posts could possibly have warranted that outburst, i'm increasingly suspecting it's a comment from someone who felt angered by one of my posts on another thread.

Guitargirl - i think you need to stfu as you don't know what you're chatting on about (again).

Now I can see why someone left you a message :smile:

You mentioned something about the person being immature, maybe you want to look in a mirror :smile:

I'm sorry I got the wrong end of the stick, but I didn't have a go at you.

If you were implying that I was the one who left a negative comment, it wasn't me. If you remember, I pmed you telling you that I was pis*ed off about what you said in another thread.

Reply 19

dogtanian