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Short Service Commission or Permanent Commission, that is the question!
I'm attending OASC in late May and since sending off my RAF application I have had second thoughts about the length of service I am currently down for.
Whether or not you know, it has been increasingly more difficult to join the RAF as an Officer if you are from a Commonwealth country and do not have dual British citizenship. I can't say that I disagree with the tighter restrictions placed on us colonials, but I must admit that its shame mostly because I may have to live in the UK for up to 5 years before I can even begin training (its worth it though
Anyways, my question is this.........If I am currently down for a Short Service Commission of 6 years (I am going for ATC or Supply) will trying to switch to a PC increase my chances of being considered (also based on my performance at OASC of course) because it could mean I'm "more motivated".
As a side question..Do you believe that the RAF would bother accepting me for OASC if they were not thinking of giving me a place at IOT IF I pass the tests.
Thanks for your help
Josh the colonial
Whether or not you know, it has been increasingly more difficult to join the RAF as an Officer if you are from a Commonwealth country and do not have dual British citizenship. I can't say that I disagree with the tighter restrictions placed on us colonials, but I must admit that its shame mostly because I may have to live in the UK for up to 5 years before I can even begin training (its worth it though
Anyways, my question is this.........If I am currently down for a Short Service Commission of 6 years (I am going for ATC or Supply) will trying to switch to a PC increase my chances of being considered (also based on my performance at OASC of course) because it could mean I'm "more motivated".
As a side question..Do you believe that the RAF would bother accepting me for OASC if they were not thinking of giving me a place at IOT IF I pass the tests.
Thanks for your help
Josh the colonial
ok, I may be wrong so anyone feel free to correct me. I have my filter interview soon so im trying to get my head round this stuff. From what I understand, due to personel cuts is very very hard to get PC at the moment. Pilots and WSO apply for 12 years service and ground based trades and personel can initally apply for 6 years service. After 2 years you may apply for PC, whic is 18 years or until you are 55.
From my reading this is what I have come to understand but I may be wrong!
Also, If you have had a filter interview surely you knew this?!?
From my reading this is what I have come to understand but I may be wrong!
Also, If you have had a filter interview surely you knew this?!?
Josh
I am not sure that anyone but a current Boarding Officer at OASC could give you an accurate answer to your main question. How many PC versus SSC places OASC offer is a very delicately balanced equation and depends on the future plans for the branch and the career options that people within the branch are making. I dare say that the OASC targets change monthly, if not weekly.
I don't think there is any doubt that asking for a PC shows greater commitment to the RAF, but it probably gains you something like a .5% bonus, and I bet there are many other ways you could earn that little extra in the OASC process, so it is not massively significant.
I also think there is some logic to the suggestion that OASC would be more likely to offer a PC to the strongest candidates. However, that does not mean that you are a weak candidate if you get or go for a SSC. The RAF offers SSCs for a reason, because it wants them and it knows that some applicants want them, so it's not a sign of a lack of commitment to ask for a SSC.
If you really want to go for a PC for career reasons, rather than just to try to improve your selection chances, then ask when at OASC.
As to whether acceptance for OASC indicates a place at IOT, I'm afraid not. Depending on the severity of the filter interview that you have gone through, and you will note that people on TSR are having very different experiences at filter, you will be better or less well prepared for OASC. But many many more people get to OASC than get to IOT. I'm afraid that I don't have the exact figures to hand, but I am sure they are on TSR somewhere. Suffice to say that getting to OASC is only one step in the process, being selected and offered a date for IOT is a much bigger achievement.
I am not sure that anyone but a current Boarding Officer at OASC could give you an accurate answer to your main question. How many PC versus SSC places OASC offer is a very delicately balanced equation and depends on the future plans for the branch and the career options that people within the branch are making. I dare say that the OASC targets change monthly, if not weekly.
I don't think there is any doubt that asking for a PC shows greater commitment to the RAF, but it probably gains you something like a .5% bonus, and I bet there are many other ways you could earn that little extra in the OASC process, so it is not massively significant.
I also think there is some logic to the suggestion that OASC would be more likely to offer a PC to the strongest candidates. However, that does not mean that you are a weak candidate if you get or go for a SSC. The RAF offers SSCs for a reason, because it wants them and it knows that some applicants want them, so it's not a sign of a lack of commitment to ask for a SSC.
If you really want to go for a PC for career reasons, rather than just to try to improve your selection chances, then ask when at OASC.
As to whether acceptance for OASC indicates a place at IOT, I'm afraid not. Depending on the severity of the filter interview that you have gone through, and you will note that people on TSR are having very different experiences at filter, you will be better or less well prepared for OASC. But many many more people get to OASC than get to IOT. I'm afraid that I don't have the exact figures to hand, but I am sure they are on TSR somewhere. Suffice to say that getting to OASC is only one step in the process, being selected and offered a date for IOT is a much bigger achievement.
I would also love to spend the rest of my working life in the RAF. I have applied for SSC (like I said I believe that this is all they are really accepting at the moment) but after 2 years you can the apply for PC. Im sure as long as you can show the boarding officers how committed you are it shouldn't be a problem if you apply for SSC. But like I said, Im new to all of this so maybe pop into your AFCO and talk to them.
Sorry. I didn't mean to offend you by explaining the difference between SSC and PC. From what I understand SSC is is pretty much all they are accepting at the moment!! Although Im not familiar with the details of your brance choice so this may not apply to you. Again sorry if you thought I offended you!
Thanks for the all info Threeportdrift..... I wanted to get some of your opinions on the matter and your probably right the balance between SSC and PC requirements probably change all the time!
As for OASC....I'm not sure how difficult my filter interview was compared to everyone elses but either way I definitly understand that it might mean jack at OASC. Whether or not being a Canadian will hurt or help me, I definitly want to give it my all.
thanks again
As for OASC....I'm not sure how difficult my filter interview was compared to everyone elses but either way I definitly understand that it might mean jack at OASC. Whether or not being a Canadian will hurt or help me, I definitly want to give it my all.
thanks again
oh no, not at all Sprog! thanks for the advice for sure......... if anything I value what all you guys have to say on this forum, this resource is great.....especially becuase no one I know on this side of the world would consider joining the RAF or the military at all for that matter, Canadians are supposed to be "peacekeepers" hahaha
You seem to be making a double entendre out of somthing quite simple!If you don't want a PC because ..... then tell them its because ......! They are not going to psyco analyse everything on your form to find a negative aspect to it! If they didn't want people who only wanted SSCs then why would they give you the choice!?
Also, if SSCs are all you "think" they are accepting at the mo but want a PC, I would still apply for a PC because you are guaranteed to be able to leave early if you wish but you are not guaranteed to be able to stay on.
At the end of the day, only apply for what YOU want not what you think they want you to apply for!
Also, if SSCs are all you "think" they are accepting at the mo but want a PC, I would still apply for a PC because you are guaranteed to be able to leave early if you wish but you are not guaranteed to be able to stay on.
At the end of the day, only apply for what YOU want not what you think they want you to apply for!
This is purely my personal experience, others in the forces might have had quite different experiences, but I have always found the few 'colonials' in the RAF extremely motivated and very successful. I have to say, in large part the Kiwi's seem to get on very well. There may be an element of self selection at play though, perhaps the only ones that get through the selection process are the unusualy well motivated?
threeportdrift
This is purely my personal experience, others in the forces might have had quite different experiences, but I have always found the few 'colonials' in the RAF extremely motivated and very successful. I have to say, in large part the Kiwi's seem to get on very well. There may be an element of self selection at play though, perhaps the only ones that get through the selection process are the unusualy well motivated?
As a Kiwi myself I found no problems going through OASC (starting in July as WSO on SSC) If anything the boarding officers were genuinely interested in life Down Under and why I was choosing the RAF over the RNZAF.
Jellins, when you attend OASC you can change your options at any time and will have boarding officers available to chat to at most times, including in the bar at night.
MSOs, WSOs and Flt Ops are only being taken on as SSCs. You will be allowed to PVR with a PC, but you may not be allowed to extend a SSC.
MSOs, WSOs and Flt Ops are only being taken on as SSCs. You will be allowed to PVR with a PC, but you may not be allowed to extend a SSC.
If You are offered or want an SSC and wnat to change it to a PC during your career you can put it down on your appraisal form at the end of every year and you MIGHT be accepted for it, obviously depending on a lot of factors. Wethere you put down SSC opr PC will not make the boarding officers mind up wether to accept you, as long as you have a reason for puttin SSC or PC down.
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