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By using the formula, I did get to:

Because other terms cancel out, I got

But, if thats true, than:

EDIT:
If the bit above is correct. Can anyone help me to prove sin(x/2)=xsin(1/2) for 0<x<pi?
Or show me mistakes in case it's wrong (what it's very likely to be)
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#2
Where it says , it actually means .

That is, the is actually inside the sin function.

Also, - just take x = 10, clearly
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#3
(Original post by dantheman1261)
Where it says , it actually means .

That is, the is actually inside the sin function.

Also, - just take x = 10, clearly
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, thanks.

Why didn't they put the brackets? Or are there any notational rules about it?
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7 years ago
#4
(Original post by Dog4444)
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, thanks.

Why didn't they put the brackets?
I looked at that, and aside from the fact that I couldn't work out what you were asking, I thought the original question was poorly formed - it just looks wrong.

However, from the "Using the formula" part, it's clear that the "x" must be within the function.
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7 years ago
#5
(Original post by Dog4444)
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, thanks.

Why didn't they put the brackets? Or are there any notational rules about it?
It's standard notation - just as if you see sin 3x then you know it means sin (3x) and not (sin 3) x
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#6
(Original post by davros)
It's standard notation - just as if you see sin 3x then you know it means sin (3x) and not (sin 3) x
Right, I see. It's just the brackets what confused me.

And how would you write x times sin(n+1/2)? Just xsin(n+1/2), right?
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7 years ago
#7
(Original post by Dog4444)
Right, I see. It's just the brackets what confused me.

And how would you write x times sin(n+1/2)? Just xsin(n+1/2), right?
Yup!
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7 years ago
#8
(Original post by Dog4444)
Right, I see. It's just the brackets what confused me.

And how would you write x times sin(n+1/2)? Just xsin(n+1/2), right?
Yep. If the sine part is multiplied by anything, it is generally at the beginning, like you say. The notation isn't great but it's just generally accepted - I take it you managed the question?
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#9
(Original post by dantheman1261)
Yep. If the sine part is multiplied by anything, it is generally at the beginning, like you say. The notation isn't great but it's just generally accepted - I take it you managed the question?
I did the first part, but there's also the second part as well:

I managed to do it for f(x). But the way I did it, was to draw some sketches of cos x, cos 2x, cos 3x from 0 to pi, and show that the area of each is 0. (I'm not sure I would get away with it at an actual exam)
But I can't do this for f(x)cosx, and I feel there's another approach apart from sketches.
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7 years ago
#10
(Original post by Dog4444)
I did the first part, but there's also the second part as well:

I managed to do it for f(x). But the way I did it, was to draw some sketches of cos x, cos 2x, cos 3x from 0 to pi, and show that the area of each is 0. (I'm not sure I would get away with it at an actual exam)
But I can't do this for f(x)cosx, and I feel there's another approach apart from sketches.
Do you know what the integral of cos(x) is? And similarly for cos(kx)? (Which function, I mean)
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7 years ago
#11
(Original post by Dog4444)
I did the first part, but there's also the second part as well:

I managed to do it for f(x). But the way I did it, was to draw some sketches of cos x, cos 2x, cos 3x from 0 to pi, and show that the area of each is 0. (I'm not sure I would get away with it at an actual exam)
But I can't do this for f(x)cosx, and I feel there's another approach apart from sketches.
For the first integral, I am not sure how you did the graphical approach but wouldn't just be simpler to actually integrate The result is quasi-immediate .
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#12
(Original post by dantheman1261)
Do you know what the integral of cos(x) is? And similarly for cos(kx)? (Which function, I mean)
Well, INT cos x = sin x, right?
But I dont know how to generalise it for cos kx, where k belongs to N.
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7 years ago
#13
(Original post by Dog4444)
Well, INT cos x = sin x, right?
But I dont know how to generalise it for cos kx, where k belongs to N.
Okay - what is ? That should give you a clue how to generalise it
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#14
(Original post by dantheman1261)
Okay - what is ? That should give you a clue how to generalise it
Didn't try inspection. Int cos kx = (1/k)sinkx. What makes f(x) part clear. Thanks.
But I still can't do f(x)cosx. The only idea I have is to integrate by parts 2cosx(sinx+1/2sin2x+1/3sin3x...1/n sin nx), what doesn't seem nice in my head(EDIT: actually, I will try this out).
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7 years ago
#15
(Original post by Dog4444)
Didn't try inspection. Int cos kx = (1/k)sinkx.
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For the record, this works with any function: where is real and non-zero.
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7 years ago
#16
(Original post by Dog4444)
Didn't try inspection. Int cos kx = (1/k)sinkx. What makes f(x) part clear. Thanks.
But I still can't do f(x)cosx. The only idea I have is to integrate by parts 2cosx(sinx+1/2sin2x+1/3sin3x...1/n sin nx), what doesn't seem nice in my head(EDIT: actually, I will try this out).
You would be looking at not

Anyhow, remember that you don't have only one expression for

(a double IBP should work though - just seems a bit tedious!)
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7 years ago
#17
(Original post by Dog4444)
Didn't try inspection. Int cos kx = (1/k)sinkx. What makes f(x) part clear. Thanks.
But I still can't do f(x)cosx. The only idea I have is to integrate by parts 2cosx(sinx+1/2sin2x+1/3sin3x...1/n sin nx), what doesn't seem nice in my head(EDIT: actually, I will try this out).
So we want

No doubt there is more than one way of doing this - do you have any ideas? If you've tried some stuff with no luck, then:

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Take a look at part (i), where it gives and see if that gives you any inspiration!
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#18
(Original post by dantheman1261)
So we want
I did integrate cosxcoskx by parts twice and got to:

And from that I assume that

Is that right?
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7 years ago
#19
(Original post by Dog4444)
I did integrate cosxcoskx by parts twice and got to:

And from that I assume that

Is that right?
What happens when k = 1?
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#20
(Original post by DFranklin)
What happens when k = 1?
Thanks, it seems to be true for K>1 though.
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