B482 - Justice Bill Watch
Prison System, no! Yes lets let out those that change just enough to get to an easier prison.
otherwise I think the bill is okay, I am in favour of a the renewable maximum sentence and the renewed focus on rehabilitation.
Just wanted to enquire, prisoners who work and are offered a wage, will they receive this wage directly every week/month or will this be accumulated and given to the prisoner at the time of their release?
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I hadn't really thought about it, and it's not a major concern to the bill really. They could be paid every month I suppose, but I don't suppose that it really matters.
It's a good bill and I wholeheartedly support it
Rehabilitation? I would punish a man who intentionally murdered another human being, even if I could be 100% assured that he would never commit that crime ever again.
Consequentialist deterrence? I would not punish an innocent man even if I was 100% assured that such an example made of him would deter the crime he was charged with from ever happening again.
Retribution? I see nothing wrong with aligning good-intentioned action with good consequence and bad-intentioned action with bad consequence, from both a consequentialist and deontological perspective. I think it is something that an appropriate scheme of justice demands, for all law-abiding citizens, for all victims, and for all criminals.
For more on punishment and desert: guilt, equal treatment, proportionality and excuses.
I agree with 1, but definitely not with 2. Why should non-violent convicts start in conventional prisons, and why should people capable of massive violence go to open prison if they're quiet for a few years? That doesn't make much sense to me. I'm also very unsure about making prison wardens the arbiters of this "good behaviour". I'd also personally like a bit included about the conditions in conventional secure prisons, I've always thought that it's massively poor that we allow inmates access to both gym equipment and violent video games when neither are necessary for their rehabilitation.
Your point about prison wardens deciding who's been good is a good one, do you think that the decision should be up to a parole board?
I'm quite conflicted on this one. I can see the need for rehabilitation, but there are some people who need to stay behind bars really because they are a danger to society. Perhaps amending this Bill for that scenario would be a good idea. I can't see much else to oppose apart from that.
(1) There is no minimum sentence for any crime.
(2) The maximum sentence shall be 21 years for crimes which currently have maximum sentences longer than 21 years.
(a) This may be extended at the end of a prisoners sentence by up to 5 years.
(i) This may is done at the discretion of a parole board, where it can be proven that the offender still poses a risk to the community.
(ii) There is no limit to the number of times an offender's sentence may be extended.
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Also, are we to assume this bill doesn't extend to juvenile offenders? If it doesn't then it needs to be made clear, but if it does then 2(1) is completely inappropriate.