Drugs- Your Experiences?

Original post by LaurenPhilippa

I don't want to live in a society where drug use is legal. I can't support that.

Then you best start packing your bag because drug use is legal. People smoke tobacco and drink alcohol all the time, the only difference between illegal drugs and legal ones are that the government arbitrarily says they are bad and we can't take them with little to no scientific reasoning.

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n00

Original post by DaveSmith99

Then you best start packing your bag because drug use is legal. People smoke tobacco and drink alcohol all the time, the only difference between illegal drugs and legal ones are that the government arbitrarily says they are bad and we can't take them with little to no scientific reasoning.

Sounds a little pedantic, but it is important. Use of any drug is not illegal and there is no such thing as legal or illegal drugs.

(edited 11 years ago)

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Original post by n00

You do already. :s-smilie:

How is it anything like that? Its more like saying... hey don't have anal sex with men, but you can have anal sex with women because it's not as bad! :doh:

Yep, those drugs being caffeine, alcohol and paracetemol etc. (But yeah, I know they are just as damaging, doesn't make them right though).

Not LSD/heroin etc.

And that's exactly my point^. I don't want cannabis/heroin/LSD etc to be legal.

Making it legal would condone and accept stories like this;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184953/Super-fit-son-rugby-coach-died-heart-attack-aged-19-trying-cocaine-friends.html

I want to see more like this;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185383/Drug-smugglers-tried-sneak-34m-cocaine-country-pineapples-jailed-total-45-years.html

:K:

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parasitic

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Original post by CharlieBoardman

Cheers for that. The thing is, I was planning on doing it next Friday when I go to this party. Just so happens that I have work at 11am the next morning.. So the weed would be a no no. How bad is the come down? Plus, I'm only 16/nearly 17. Does this make a difference?

Thought to add the the previous persons comments.

The comedown shouldn't be bad at all depending how much you're going to take. (the more you do x the longer you stay up, the more drained you will feel). Doing lines of MDMA throughout the night non-stop might make you feel really worn out the next morning, no appetite for most people. You might not be able to sleep as well which you need to bare in mind if you have work the next day. Some people feel rather low and a bit depressed, but none of my friends ever do, but it's worth mentioning. It's mainly being tired and sluggish.

If it's your first time I would bomb mdma in a drink, and do a couple of lines, but stop when it gets to around 1am or earlier!!. The bombs will make the mandy last longer but not at such a high peak compared to snorting lines. Therefore if you stop taking it early you will still be having a nice buzz throughout the early morning, and then can try and sleep whenever you come back home.

Basically do yourself a favour and stop snorting lines early so you can get sleep in time for work, otherwise you will feel really bad. The worst that can happen is you won't sleep at all, or you might not even get back home but will end up chatting with mates until 11 in the morning :smile:

time flies on mdma.
Try and drink some water, one or 2 cups throughout the night if you're drinking booze as well. Keep yourself hydrated during the morning and try and eat, even if you don't want to. Yoghurts are really good and fruit. Bananas- they are amazing for a comedown.

Also another tip, chew gum whilst partying. You will gurn your face off as a first timer, which can be rather painful the next day!!!

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Original post by Xotol

Even if it benefits society? You need to consider the wider impact, not just some misconceptions about what would happen. Statistics show that it's better - both in terms of less drug users and more addiction treatment. More money can be focused on helping people with addictions.

All addicts need help with their addiction.

I think you meant empathetic, but I'm glad you've realised that.

More money can be spent helping people without making it legal. Making it legal or not is irrelevant.

Yes, I agree, there should be no criteria that addicts need to meet to get help - all do.

And yeah, I do, aha. :colondollar:

You're right, I mean people should be more sympathetic and understanding to people struggling to control drug use, as opposed to condemning them.

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unclej

Original post by CharlieBoardman

Cheers for that. The thing is, I was planning on doing it next Friday when I go to this party. Just so happens that I have work at 11am the next morning.. So the weed would be a no no. How bad is the come down? Plus, I'm only 16/nearly 17. Does this make a difference?

I think you should wait till you start going clubbing, MDMA would be wasted on a house party.
But if youre definitely going to have a pill (which you should get from someone you trust not some randomer) don't drink alcohol and just have a pint of water per hour, make sure your friends keep an eye on this.

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n00

Original post by LaurenPhilippa

Making it legal would condone and accept stories like this;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184953/Super-fit-son-rugby-coach-died-heart-attack-aged-19-trying-cocaine-friends.html

How exactly? The law isn't meant to be some kind of infallible moral compass.

Is not having a law against the possession, supply and production of unhealthy food condoning stories like this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100052/Worlds-fattest-man-Keith-Martin-lives-London-58-stone.html

(edited 11 years ago)

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DaveSmith99

Original post by n00

Sounds a little pedantic, but it is important. Use of any drug is not illegal and there is no such thing as legal or illegal drugs.

Yes, its the possession of certain substances thats illegal, but the point still stands.

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g_star_raw_1989

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Original post by LaurenPhilippa

Yep, those drugs being caffeine, alcohol and paracetemol etc. (But yeah, I know they are just as damaging, doesn't make them right though).

Not LSD/heroin etc.

And that's exactly my point^. I don't want cannabis/heroin/LSD etc to be legal.

Making it legal would condone and accept stories like this;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184953/Super-fit-son-rugby-coach-died-heart-attack-aged-19-trying-cocaine-friends.html

I want to see more like this;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185383/Drug-smugglers-tried-sneak-34m-cocaine-country-pineapples-jailed-total-45-years.html

:K:

There is nothing wrong with cannabis or LSD if used responsibly. Don't group them together with heroin.

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Captain Haddock

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Original post by unclej

I think you should wait till you start going clubbing, MDMA would be wasted on a house party.
But if youre definitely going to have a pill (which you should get from someone you trust not some randomer) don't drink alcohol and just have a pint of water per hour, make sure your friends keep an eye on this.

How could a drug that makes you want to talk and be around people be wasted at a place where you get to talk and be around people? People who think MDMA is just a clubbing drug don't know what they're missing.

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unclej

Original post by LaurenPhilippa

Yep, those drugs being caffeine, alcohol and paracetemol etc. (But yeah, I know they are just as damaging, doesn't make them right though).

Not LSD/heroin etc.

And that's exactly my point^. I don't want cannabis/heroin/LSD etc to be legal.

Making it legal would condone and accept stories like this;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184953/Super-fit-son-rugby-coach-died-heart-attack-aged-19-trying-cocaine-friends.html

I want to see more like this;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185383/Drug-smugglers-tried-sneak-34m-cocaine-country-pineapples-jailed-total-45-years.html

:K:

I've seen close friends get into Serioustrouble with alcohol and even paracetamol not to mention future problems from cigarettes. I haven't seen any such trouble with any illegal drug

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unclej

Original post by Captain Haddock

How could a drug that makes you want to talk and be around people be wasted at a place where you get to talk and be around people? People who think MDMA is just a clubbing drug don't know what they're missing.

I find alcohol is sufficient to enjoy socialising, tbf I've never tried it outside of a club.
It would probably fun if you were with a bunch of friends using it, i could see that. I'd probably look stupid and feel out of place in a relaxed house party.
To me MDMA is more about the music and lights.

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Original post by n00

How exactly? The law isn't ment to be some kind of infallible moral compass.

Is not having a law against the possession, supply and production of unhealthy food condoning stories like this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100052/Worlds-fattest-man-Keith-Martin-lives-London-58-stone.html

Hm, I guess that^ is as much of an addiction as the drug thing.

For me, the law does provide a moral compass - e.g. don't murder someone, kinda speaks for itself.
I agree with drugs being illegal because of the potential they have to ruin innocent lives - if he had a child (highly doubt it aha) it would not be born addicted to food. Also, his eating habits won't make him anti-social/paranoid/argumentative etc etc.

You can't really compare food to drugs tbh. :s-smilie:

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ArtGoblin

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Original post by Elipsis

Where did you take it? In Leeds everyone knows you're on it because everyone in the club IS on it, which reduces paranoia to nil. I reckon the 2nd time you did it you probably got worse quality drugs, because for the first 10 or so times as long as it's reasonably spaced you will still get the magic.

It was at a club in Sheffield, but on a drinking night. We were originally at a night where everyone would have been on it (there was even drug dogs on the doors!) but we were convinced it wasn't going to kick in and we didn't like the music so we switched. I probably would have been fine otherwise, but being around drinkers (who seemed like idiots at the time) was terrifying.

I'm sure that's what happened the second time. The first was through a more reputable source and according to a more experienced friend, the purest she's ever come across; the second was left by a friend and was yellowish in colour.

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Original post by g_star_raw_1989

There is nothing wrong with cannabis or LSD if used responsibly. Don't group them together with heroin.

Cannabis: A big myth about cannabis is that it’s safe because it’s natural. Cannabis has very real, harmful effects on your mind and body, as well as creating longer-term problems, for example it may cause feelings of anxiety, suspicion, panic and paranoia.

LSD can make you feel tired, anxious, panicky and depressed. LSD can cause unpleasant, frightening or scary hallucinations and distortions of your senses – and these effects can be quite unpredictable.Trips can feed off your imagination and may heighten a mood you're already in. So if you’re in a bad mood, feeling worried or depressed, LSD may just make these feelings worse.

Nah...nothing wrong with cannabis or LSD. :doh:

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n00

Original post by LaurenPhilippa

Hm, I guess that^ is as much of an addiction as the drug thing.

For me, the law does provide a moral compass - e.g. don't murder someone, kinda speaks for itself.

Sorry? The law is the only thing stopping you going out and murdering people?

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g_star_raw_1989

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Original post by LaurenPhilippa

Cannabis: A big myth about cannabis is that it’s safe because it’s natural. Cannabis has very real, harmful effects on your mind and body, as well as creating longer-term problems, for example it may cause feelings of anxiety, suspicion, panic and paranoia.

LSD can make you feel tired, anxious, panicky and depressed. LSD can cause unpleasant, frightening or scary hallucinations and distortions of your senses – and these effects can be quite unpredictable.Trips can feed off your imagination and may heighten a mood you're already in. So if you’re in a bad mood, feeling worried or depressed, LSD may just make these feelings worse.

Nah...nothing wrong with cannabis or LSD. :doh:

I said if used responsibly. People should be given the right information about drugs, not one-sided anti-drug propaganda of the type you've swallowed up by the bucket load. Then allowed to make a decision as responsible adults should do.

Bad relationships can make people depressed, anxious, scared, sad, as well as a lot of other things can; want to make them illegal too?

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