The Transgender Thread

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Right, I was reading the 'Horniness' thread earlier and it shocked me how many people didn't 'get' transgender-ness (sorry if that's not a word).

So I thought, right, it's time that we all had a nice discussion about it so that people can find out more about the condition. I know I don't really know -that- much about it, but feel it should be more openly discussed so as to dispel myths and prejudices.

Anyone got information/stories/knowledge/feelings to share? :redface:

Reply 1

Evil Phoenix

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http://www.cusu-lbgt.com/trans/introduction/

Reply 2

gideon2000uk

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I have a friend who's going through some transgender issues. It is a really difficult thing to understand, but I am concerned that in some respects that the psychological community still regard it as a mental illness.

I'd be interested to hear from anyone who is transgender. Clearly it is something in much need of open, frank discussion!

Reply 3

The Crow

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they definately do gideon!!!

Reply 4

hugatree

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The whole idea seems a bit weird to me tbh. :redface:

I'll always think of the person as a male or a female depending on their looks. I can't imagine how you would know that inside you're from the opposite sex... Can't you just have 'other' interests than your own sex usually does? :confused:

Reply 5

The Crow

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no. its not like that.

you know you're a female because your brain tells you.
i know im male cos mine does.
when your a feotus theres all kinds of chemicals n if one takes an imbalance it can mean you end up with a male brain n female sexual organs or both or none at all or in case of mtf's the opposite

Reply 6

hugatree

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I see.. Well sort of.. :smile:

It's hard to imagine/compare, obviously!
I don't know I'm female cos my brain says so. :confused:

I've never had a male brain.. I'm girly enough though I suppose I would notice if I were more like a boy.

Reply 7

pugnacious

gideon2000uk

I have a friend who's going through some transgender issues. It is a really difficult thing to understand, but I am concerned that in some respects that the psychological community still regard it as a mental illness.

Maybe not a mental "illness", but surely a psychological condition? Thinking that you should be or are a man when in fact you'r a woman or vice versa

EDIT: Just read the link in its entirety, which answers my question.

Reply 8

silence

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i believe that transgender issues in our country arise out of our linguistic system, something in which we have no gender! just imagine; little french kids will be able to contextualise their gender by talking about une maison and un bateau. today, our society's youth can't even use pronouns or articles properly, let alone relate them to gender! if we all spoke in latin (the fact that case and gender are somewhat inflectional within the words rather than created by the use of additional words to signify such things would complement the way in which gender out to be embedded into all, an essential and inevitable element to one's existence which cannot be overlooked), the problem would be solved.

Reply 9

The Crow

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thats stupid. though if there werent such an emphasis on gender itd be easier but i want to be seen as male.

while we're on that im starting considering chest surgery and testosterone gel....!

Reply 10

Helenia

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I hardly think that our lack of gender-specific pronouns for objects which have no obvious gender (and whose gender varies between languages!) is the reason for transgender issues. I'm sure French/German/Italians have transexuals as well.

Reply 11

silence

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hmm, but if there are transexuals in france, when juxtaposed with their linguistic system, there is something of an antithesis which is made obvious to society. the reason why so many in our country turn a blind eye to trannies, perhaps, is because we have no linguistic preconception of gender anyway.

obviously this is all rubbish; i just believe that latin is the answer to all problems in society (apart from dictatorship and murder perhaps).

Reply 12

TKR

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Reply 13

The Crow

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Helenia

I hardly think that our lack of gender-specific pronouns for objects which have no obvious gender (and whose gender varies between languages!) is the reason for transgender issues. I'm sure French/German/Italians have transexuals as well.

holland are the biggest specialists

Reply 14

Anonymous #1

hugatree

The whole idea seems a bit weird to me tbh. :redface:

I'll always think of the person as a male or a female depending on their looks.

When we were studying reproduction the concept of 'sex' was broken down into:

- Chromosomal sex: XX = Female, XY = Male, but how about when you're XO or XXY etc?

- Phenotypic sex = how you actually develop physiologically, this might be related to basic X or Y correct chromosomes although also can be influenced by any mutations/disruptions of pathways involved. the differential control of reproductive system after a set point is quite complex & depends on a multitude of cascades. So people where their genes say one thing, but their external physical appearance suggests another?

- Behavioural sex = this could probably be more linked to "gender" as more of a sociological construct. & perhaps abnormalities of this are what we know least about from a medical angle. but there are differences in "male" & "female" brains, not necessarily huge & perhaps accounting for less variance than within a sex, but still... even in animal models - there are observed differences in behaviour with sex & an argument of sociological conditioning can perhaps be more easily examined there. so people whereby their genes & phenotype have led to differences in brain function, even if the changes are so subtle they physically look "normal"..?

Hope this be interesting to you. :smile:

Reply 15

zooropa

I'll always think of the person as a male or a female depending on their looks.

Gender is also emotional as well as physical.

Transsexuals are weird anyhow.

Reply 16

silence

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i'm not a girl, not yet a woman.

i'm still an adolescent male.

Reply 17

The Crow

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you last two posters are pisstakers. you dont have owt interesting to say why say it at all?!

Reply 18

smilee172

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The Crow

you last two posters are pisstakers. you dont have owt interesting to say why say it at all?!

when did you know you were different/ how did u know? i mean what was the turning point. for instance some people let's take a girl for example, a girl doesn't like any girl stuff and is one of the lads.. how do you know whether that's just you liking laddish stuff or you are actually a man inside a woman's body?

Reply 19

The Crow

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laurah

when did you know you were different/ how did u know? i mean what was the turning point. for instance some people let's take a girl for example, a girl doesn't like any girl stuff and is one of the lads.. how do you know whether that's just you liking laddish stuff or you are actually a man inside a woman's body?

that is a tom boy youre describing.
masculine is a characteristic which is seperate from being male. i mean u can be a feminine guy and a butch girl.

im androgenus-macho(-macho espec when im pissed!!! :p:

). iv always been a lad. i peed standing thinking a penis was going to eventually sprout out then puberty n i went insane cos my body was suddenly developing in the wrong direction n i realised i was seen as a woman n i realised the signs on toilets were different for a reason. then i started bleeding n i thought i was bleeding to death(which it is phychologically killing me) but when my mum told me it was my period i realised i was different and disowned periods ever since. :redface:

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