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Hi

Once i am registered as a mental health nurse, could i apply for a general nursing post i.e. a job a adult nurse would apply for?
If not, what would i have to do to be able to apply for adult nursing/ general nursing jobs?

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I would also be interested in finding this out also..
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generally no as you would not meet the person spec. , which usually specifies branch and in some cases will exclude any unconverted ENs from the same branch ( i.e. where a job spec says1st Level registered Nurse)

in theory you can work out of branch but would have to demonstrate that you have the skills and knowledge required - this has generally been achieved by shortened second registration programmes.
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Some but ot very many care of the elderly wards sometimes take on mental heath nurses but you would be xpected to have the knowledge and skills as zippy says but as a newly qualified you wouldnt.

There are several shortened courses about were you can convert from mental health to adult and at the end of that you would be dual qualified as a mental health and adult nurse.
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When I worked on an elderly word in fact anywhere I've worked with the elderly and nurses there's never been a mental health nurse unless it was management. We have a mental health nurse on the neuro ward I'm now on but this one person just specials one patient who has issues.

I always thought mental health nurses couldn't give out meds.
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I always thought mental health nurses couldn't give out meds.
Why would you think that?
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I have no idea why I think that or where it can from

The one's I've worked with don't though.
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I have no idea why I think that or where it can from

The one's I've worked with don't though.
What environment do the ones you've worked with work in? In the mental health inpatient units the nurses there give medication to the patients as prescribed, CPN's go round to people to administer depot injections and so on.
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Mental Health nurses also work with patients with Dementia and Alzheimers. Of course Adult nurses would also work with these client groups.

Mental Health nurses are just as qualified to administer medication as any other branch of nursing.
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After seeing your responses i then looked into postgraduate adult nursing however i was advised that the nhs do not fund a postgraduate nursing course if you are already a registered nurse ( mental health nurse)
How could i possibly be able to qualify as an adult nurse then!! :s
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After seeing your responses i then looked into postgraduate adult nursing however i was advised that the nhs do not fund a postgraduate nursing course if you are already a registered nurse ( mental health nurse)
How could i possibly be able to qualify as an adult nurse then!! :s
You would hope that your employers would fund your further study.


Why not do adult nursing if you want to work in roles specified for RGN's?

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sometimes you need to contact a uni directly to see if the are running either a conversion course or a shortened programme. Im in scotland so its a bit different but once registered you can then do a conversion to a different branch and saas will fully fund it. Id assume nhs funding would allow you to get funding to convert as its not like your repeating anouther 3 full years of the same course id look in to the funding for how adult nurses convert to being midwives as itll probably be the same
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(Original post by shanghaichica)
You would hope that your employers would fund your further study.


Why not do adult nursing if you want to work in roles specified for RGN's?

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RGN's no longer exist and haven't for quite a while. The title now is RN(Adult) for an adult nurse.

OP, if you are that desperate to work in an adult nurse's role then why study mental health? If you want to do the conversion course you will have to either find a post where an employer thinks the training may enhance your role and pay for the training, or you will have to pay for it yourself.
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RGN's no longer exist and haven't for quite a while. The title now is RN(Adult) for an adult nurse.

OP, if you are that desperate to work in an adult nurse's role then why study mental health? If you want to do the conversion course you will have to either find a post where an employer thinks the training may enhance your role and pay for the training, or you will have to pay for it yourself.
I know I'm just stuck in the old ways.

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I know I'm just stuck in the old ways.

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It's one of my little bugbears. Especially when I see people who clearly didn't train under the old RGN training calling themselves RGN's, shows a lack of understanding about what registration they have, which I find a bit alarming. I know there's still a few knocking about, I also know of someone who is registered as an SEN still, but is close to retirement.
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It's one of my little bugbears. Especially when I see people who clearly didn't train under the old RGN training calling themselves RGN's, shows a lack of understanding about what registration they have, which I find a bit alarming. I know there's still a few knocking about, I also know of someone who is registered as an SEN still, but is close to retirement.
I understand I have many little gripes myself particularly surrounding the reporting of genes in the press. I was reading about it a few weeks ago. Wasn't RGN used when nurses did not specialise in individual branches but trained first as general nurses and then could go on to specialise in mental, child, LD etc ??

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I understand I have many little gripes myself particularly surrounding the reporting of genes in the press. I was reading about it a few weeks ago. Wasn't RGN used when nurses did not specialise in individual branches but trained first as general nurses and then could go on to specialise in mental, child, LD etc ??

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Yeah, as far as I know that's how it used to work. You sometimes encounter old RGN's working in environments other than adult ones, like kid's wards and so on, their training covered all areas of nursing, then they could go on to become RMN's, RNMH or RNSC.
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Hi. I know this forum is a bit out of date to reply. But thought I'd share... I qualified Oct 2013 with a DipHE Mental Health Nursing (last cohort to undertake diploma course.) I did 10 months as a staff nurse in older adults inpatient ward (acute mental health trust) followed by agency nursing in nursing homes. I then gained employment in the general NHS trust as an urgent care (out of hours) community nurse. I now have more skills then a lot of adult nurses being only 18 months qualified. I have IV cannulation and drug administration, PICC line support, catheter insertion (suprapubic, male and females), confirmation of expected death, venepunction, removal of staples and suctures, wound and dressing assessment, etc... It depends on the trust policy and HR. HR were happy for me to accept employment and firstly the manager of the team was, who after interview approached HR. I am on a temporary contract (only as initial advertisement/post was advertised for 6 month secondment only) so am already looking at other options. I have approached theatres who again are happy to employ me. My only concern is this new revalidation (NMC 2016) and whether practice hours and CPD need to be branch specific to maintain registration in the future. I have emailed NMC and await a response. I guess I could maintain agency type work (EMI homes) if required alongside other employment (general nursing which I enjoy a lot more). I have also looked into gaining a second registration in Adult nursing but no NHS funding or current trust employer funding as you already discovered. I think these days its quite difficult to have more than one registration in nursing. I know if I went to a different field/specialism (paramedic, operating deperatment practitioner, even midwifery) then the NHS would fully fund me, but not for a second registration in nursing. I hope this helps :-)
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Hi. I know this forum is a bit out of date to reply. But thought I'd share... I qualified Oct 2013 with a DipHE Mental Health Nursing (last cohort to undertake diploma course.) I did 10 months as a staff nurse in older adults inpatient ward (acute mental health trust) followed by agency nursing in nursing homes. I then gained employment in the general NHS trust as an urgent care (out of hours) community nurse. I now have more skills then a lot of adult nurses being only 18 months qualified. I have IV cannulation and drug administration, PICC line support, catheter insertion (suprapubic, male and females), confirmation of expected death, venepunction, removal of staples and suctures, wound and dressing assessment, etc... It depends on the trust policy and HR. HR were happy for me to accept employment and firstly the manager of the team was, who after interview approached HR. I am on a temporary contract (only as initial advertisement/post was advertised for 6 month secondment only) so am already looking at other options. I have approached theatres who again are happy to employ me. My only concern is this new revalidation (NMC 2016) and whether practice hours and CPD need to be branch specific to maintain registration in the future. I have emailed NMC and await a response. I guess I could maintain agency type work (EMI homes) if required alongside other employment (general nursing which I enjoy a lot more). I have also looked into gaining a second registration in Adult nursing but no NHS funding or current trust employer funding as you already discovered. I think these days its quite difficult to have more than one registration in nursing. I know if I went to a different field/specialism (paramedic, operating deperatment practitioner, even midwifery) then the NHS would fully fund me, but not for a second registration in nursing. I hope this helps :-)
I have a second registration and no longer work within mental health, when I contacted the NMC they stated that I would be using my mental health nursing day skills in everyday practice therefore not to worry. My friend who no longer works in adult nursing was told the same. May need to contact them closer to revalidation though :-/
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I am planning to do mental health nursing vs adult. However, between the two, which career path offer more options in further studies and which one pays more and has more jobs out there
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