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Which US universities are comparable to Imperial/LSE/UCL?

I really want to apply to the UK as well as the US this coming year for university. As i know very little about US universities, i was wondering which US universities are comparable to Imperial/LSE/UCL in terms of quality and reputation/prestige?

I'm planning on doing Maths and Stats/Econ
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Original post by Avshua
I really want to apply to the UK as well as the US this coming year for university. As i know very little about US universities, i was wondering which US universities are comparable to Imperial/LSE/UCL in terms of quality and reputation/prestige?

I'm planning on doing Maths and Stats/Econ


In terms of prestige:

Chicago, Berkeley, UCLA, UPenn, Michigan, Dartmouth, Duke, JHU, Rice, Cornell, Brown.

These are all i can remember from the top of my head. Of course some are more prestigious than others, but in general all of them can be compared to Imperial/LSE/UCL in terms of prestige.

Meanwhile Oxbridge = Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, CalTech, Columbia.

I hope that helps! :smile:
Original post by Avshua
I really want to apply to the UK as well as the US this coming year for university. As i know very little about US universities, i was wondering which US universities are comparable to Imperial/LSE/UCL in terms of quality and reputation/prestige?

I'm planning on doing Maths and Stats/Econ


Imperial - MIT
LSE - NYU Stern
UCL - Columbia
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benq, I'm curious to know why you placed Columbia in the same tier as Harvard, Yale and Caltech.
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Original post by tiffanysims
benq, I'm curious to know why you placed Columbia in the same tier as Harvard, Yale and Caltech.


Columbia is an Ivy League university.
Moreover just look at the nobels they've produced, the pulitzer prize, the creation of cultural anthropology...

There's not a single good reason to put Columbia in a different league than Harvard, Yale or Caltech.

Caltech is an oddball for a lot of reasons, and it's far more different than Harvard or Yale than Columbia is...
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Original post by TentativeTitle
Moreover just look at the nobels they've produced, the pulitzer prize, the creation of cultural anthropology...

There's not a single good reason to put Columbia in a different league than Harvard, Yale or Caltech.

Caltech is an oddball for a lot of reasons, and it's far more different than Harvard or Yale than Columbia is...


This.

While at an undergraduate level Harvard/Yale/Princeton are a notch above the rest. Columbia is without a doubt not far behind, especially with its near unmatched links to Wall Street. There is no real difference between you average HYP UG and Columbia UG, the only real difference is having had friends at all four of these unis, the HYP graduates generally had a good time and loved their alma mater, the Columbia graduates also enjoyed their time but have a somewhat jaded view of Columbia (in terms of administration and less loyalty to their fellow alumni).
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Original post by 764dak
Columbia is an Ivy League university.


Oh, I was unaware of that. Your point being?
Cornell, Penn, Dartmouth and Brown are all ivy league as well. Does that make them better than their non ivy peers (namely Stanford, MIT, Duke and Chicago)? The ivy league is an athletic conference and nothing more than that.

As far as Columbia is concerned, you do know that the university awards the Pulitzer right? So it's no surprise that it has one so many. With regards to the Nobel, the University of Paris has more laureates affiliated with it than Harvard, Princeton and Yale. Does that make it a better school? The Nobel Prize is notoriously incestuous because former laureates play an integral role in deciding who it will be awarded to. Nobel Prizes are not the sole determinant of a school's quality. In fact, they play a very meagre role in enhancing the quality of a university's undergraduate instruction.
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Original post by tiffanysims
Oh, I was unaware of that. Your point being?
Cornell, Penn, Dartmouth and Brown are all ivy league as well. Does that make them better than their non ivy peers (namely Stanford, MIT, Duke and Chicago)? The ivy league is an athletic conference and nothing more than that.

As far as Columbia is concerned, you do know that the university awards the Pulitzer right? So it's no surprise that it has one so many. With regards to the Nobel, the University of Paris has more laureates affiliated with it than Harvard, Princeton and Yale. Does that make it a better school? The Nobel Prize is notoriously incestuous because former laureates play an integral role in deciding who it will be awarded to. Nobel Prizes are not the sole determinant of a school's quality. In fact, they play a very meagre role in enhancing the quality of a university's undergraduate instruction.


benq said it was based on prestige not whether it is a good school or not. Prestige does not make something better. E.g. Wimbledon is the most prestigious grand slam but Australian and US Open give more prize money.

He probably thinks Columbia is prestigious because Nobel Prizes, 29 Alumni were/are heads of state (3 US President + 26 others), it is also the first school in USA to award MD degree. Five founding fathers of the US also attended Columbia among other things.
Original post by 764dak
benq said it was based on prestige not whether it is a good school or not. Prestige does not make something better. E.g. Wimbledon is the most prestigious grand slam but Australian and US Open give more prize money.

He probably thinks Columbia is prestigious because Nobel Prizes, 29 Alumni were/are heads of state (3 US President + 26 others), it is also the first school in USA to award MD degree. Five founding fathers of the US also attended Columbia among other things.


This.
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Original post by tiffanysims
benq, I'm curious to know why you placed Columbia in the same tier as Harvard, Yale and Caltech.



Gentlemen above already gave you very good reasons for why i did that. It is possible that i am not one hundred percent right but in my opinion it is more correct to put Columbia in the same tier with Harvard, Yale and CalTech than in the tier with Cornell , Duke and Berkeley.
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Original post by frasier_crane
Imperial - MIT
LSE - NYU Stern
UCL - Columbia

NYU is nowhere comparable to LSE other than being in a big city. In fact, there are few places in US as specialized at UG. I think the closest would be Wharton School at U of Penn.
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Original post by TentativeTitle
Moreover just look at the nobels they've produced, the pulitzer prize, the creation of cultural anthropology...

There's not a single good reason to put Columbia in a different league than Harvard, Yale or Caltech.

Caltech is an oddball for a lot of reasons, and it's far more different than Harvard or Yale than Columbia is...


Nobel Prizes are not a good measure of a university's strength / fame.

Heard of Heidelburg? Lots of Nobel Prize winners (more than Oxford) but not mentioned a lot by the media.
I would put Dartmouth (and JHU pre-med) up with the Columbia, Chicago, Duke, UPenn, Caltech group. But otherwise agree. Though I would slot in Williams, Amherst, etc into this group or at least the NU, Cornell, Brown group.
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Doesn't it depend quite a lot on the course you are going to study? I would argue that Chicago and UPenn are right at the top for economics/business. As you listed LSE I can only assume that such a course might interest you.
Interesting viewpoint, while I would say the teaching quality at the "Potted Ivies" is comparable to HYP, there is a sizable contingent that simply didn't get in to HYP. For sheer rigor, engagement, and interaction I personally believe Williams stands out nationally. Despite some rankings, I'd still but Swarthmore behind and more on par with the aforementioned Cornell / Brown group quality of student-wise (though I will firmly cavaet this is based on anecdotal evidence and friends who are Swarthmore grads). Honestly for instance I have been much more impressed by Middlebury and Colgate grads than their counterparts at Swarthmore or say Cornell.
Original post by 764dak
Columbia is an Ivy League university.


That's not a good justification; Dartmouth is in Ivy

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