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Reply 200

President_Ben
You don't need to be Oxbridge/LSE at postgrad or undergrad. Go to the right places and if you're good, hey presto, you'll get found.

If you aren't, well, life goes on.

Just because you are an ambitious perfectionist doesn't mean it will all swing that way for you. Life is not perfect.


Yeh i know. But I know what I want to achieve and I want to do it in the best way possible. If it doesnt all work out for me Ill deal with it then, but whats the point in thinking like that. Think positive:yy:

Reply 201

chazzinio
So, im right in thinking having oxbridge/lse on your application masters or undergrad can increase career prospectives. I dont think i explained my question very well. You see, I will be applying to the likes of Cambridge, LSE, Imperial, UCl and Warwick, and obviously, I assume that Cambridge and LSE would give me the greatest advantage when applying to IB. The other places I am applying are all strong unis, but the problem is im an ambitious perfectionist, and if i didnt get into LSE or Cambridge for undergrad, I would most certainly apply there for masters. So, my undergrad degree will be strong (or ill take a gap year and reapply), so would a strong undergrad matched with a cambridge/lse masters give me an adavantage? Some people have actually recommended against this because 'banks want young minds', but what difference would a year or two make?

thanks


YES, it will give you an advantage because you will have a strong degree from a strong university.
As for the age thing, I will be graduating with 21 with 2 undergrad, 2 masters(from France) and an Msc from lse. So I m not directly concerned by age. What I can tell you is that people that are older than me (23-24 --> the age for an MSc and not enough for an MBA) do get very (very) good jobs at top IB's, consulting firms etc after their masters. I m not saying it's the degree that will get you there. I am sure it did enhance their chances to land the interview and from there on, as President Ben says, if you are good you ll get noticed. So if you are good at 23, 24, you'll get in and age won't matter. I can also tell you that in the rest of Europe (less efficient in my view) get jobs only at that age (23,24). You will never see a 20-21 years old kid landing a job like that in France or Italy.
In your case, wait to see what happens because you don't really need a posgrad to get into IB. It's true that if you aren't from a G5, it can get hard but even then you still have an important chance (same chance as others at least). In case you struggle to get what you want, you may consider a masters if you have good grades and YES a good masters will open you the doors. Generally speaking I think you should also be motivated by something else. I for instance wanted to study management after an economics degree because that's what I like, because I'm interested in consultancy and because I might be looking for a job in my country and people there apply with masters degrees.

Reply 202

RangerDave
Are you sure of this?
I am not a UK citizen(yet) and that is why i ask.
Many british students I have talked to say that a masters degree is quite useless or atleaast not worth the money. They say masters degrees are only good if you want to get into research or teaching etc and to mee this seems logical. They also say that emplyers know that it is a waste of money and that they prefer proper work experience rather than a masters degree.

But like you say a masters degree from a brand name school sucha as LSE should be able to give an extra edge to an application.

it's a tough question:smile:


It's a lot like you say it. Doing a masters can worth your money if you do it at a tip top place. For instance, I could do an undergrad in places like lancaster, york, durham or any other low top ten uni. But I would never do a posgrad in any of those places.

Reply 203

Octavius85
I will be graduating with 21 with 2 undergrad, 2 masters(from France) and an Msc from lse.


How come??? :confused:

Reply 204

Octavius is spot on saying that in the rest of Europe postgrads are almost a must and ppl only start working around 23 or older. Just saying this so that ppl know that a Masters is certainly not a necessity in the UK (unless, as has been said, it brings real added value to your curriculum, ie. if it's from a G5 uni and moreso if you have only an average undergraduate degree), but if you're planning on working elsewhere someday, it'll help you. Also, Octavius mentioned interest and I think hat's a good point because studying is also about knowledge and culture to me and a degree in a subject you like can be as good as rushing off to work. Finally, it can open entirely new career prospects for you if your postgrad is different from your undergrad - specialising from Economics to Finance, let's say, or moving on from Econs to Management.

Reply 205

If you plan to start work in the UK and you stick around for a few years, no one will care what degree you did postgrad or undergrad or where. In a few years, life will have moved on dramatically.

NB, being a student is a good and fun time, at least at undergrad

Reply 206

Johan C
Octavius is spot on saying that in the rest of Europe postgrads are almost a must and ppl only start working around 23 or older. Just saying this so that ppl know that a Masters is certainly not a necessity in the UK (unless, as has been said, it brings real added value to your curriculum, ie. if it's from a G5 uni and moreso if you have only an average undergraduate degree), but if you're planning on working elsewhere someday, it'll help you. Also, Octavius mentioned interest and I think hat's a good point because studying is also about knowledge and culture to me and a degree in a subject you like can be as good as rushing off to work. Finally, it can open entirely new career prospects for you if your postgrad is different from your undergrad - specialising from Economics to Finance, let's say, or moving on from Econs to Management.


Thanks for clarifying Johan. Sorry if I wasn't very clear, it was quite late when I typed that...:frown:

Oh and nice avatar :wink:

Reply 207

Octavius85
Thanks for clarifying Johan. Sorry if I wasn't very clear, it was quite late when I typed that...:frown:

Oh and nice avatar :wink:


Haha thanks, I'm supposed to go and see V this afternoon but it looks like it's not gonna happen... Everyone's still in a sort of daze after Friday night's wild party at a friend's :p:

Reply 208

RangerDave
Are you sure of this?
I am not a UK citizen(yet) and that is why i ask.
Many british students I have talked to say that a masters degree is quite useless or atleaast not worth the money. They say masters degrees are only good if you want to get into research or teaching etc and to mee this seems logical. They also say that emplyers know that it is a waste of money and that they prefer proper work experience rather than a masters degree.

But like you say a masters degree from a brand name school sucha as LSE should be able to give an extra edge to an application.

it's a tough question:smile:



Yeah, an LSE MSc is really one of the best investments you can make - you will interview with a lot of top notch firms - the LSE degree affords quite a bit more respect because of the name and the type of people it produces.

Reply 209

i might be doing economic history at LSE what kind of jobs in a bank do u think i could get?

Reply 210

Octavius85
I will be graduating with 21 with 2 undergrad, 2 masters(from France) and an Msc from lse.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Reply 211

Chassez
:eek: :eek: :eek:


Man, believe me, I feel way more stupid when I look at your site and see all the stuff you made.:eek:

Reply 212

Octavius85
Man, believe me, I feel way more stupid when I look at your site and see all the stuff you made.:eek:


lol, Me too.
How is getting 2 an undergad, 2 masters from France and a Msc from LSE possible by 21?

Reply 213

They would actually expect you to do an MBA a few years later. But even then, if you want to work in France for example, I think they would also expect you to do a masters at a top university. You could work for an international french firm in the UK, but in France...? And also, I'm not sure to which extent you can be useful to an international company before you are aged 21. I mean there are a lot of countries (like the US) where you achive full civil responsability/rights at age 21. How useful are you when you can't even sign a contract? Anyway this applies to a minority of cases and for a short period of time.

Reply 214

bassamband
lol, Me too.
How is getting 2 an undergad, 2 masters from France and a Msc from LSE possible by 21?


There's a guy from my school who finished his masters at LSE by 20. Then again, he had one undergrad and one masters. I think that second undergrad, we're going to find is a joint honours situation with the two masters being built into it. Or something.

9 years of standard education time being done by someone at the age of 21, when normally it would be done by 27, I find a little too hard to swallow. I think I read that John Redwood had managed his first PhD by 21. Which is already seriously hot stuff.

Maybe we're in the presence of a total genius. Noreena Hertz finished UCL Economics at 19 and is a pretty clearcut genius too.

Reply 215

President_Ben
There's a guy from my school who finished his masters at LSE by 20. Then again, he had one undergrad and one masters. I think that second undergrad, we're going to find is a joint honours situation with the two masters being built into it. Or something.

9 years of standard education time being done by someone at the age of 21, when normally it would be done by 27, I find a little too hard to swallow. I think I read that John Redwood had managed his first PhD by 21. Which is already seriously hot stuff.

Maybe we're in the presence of a total genius. Noreena Hertz finished UCL Economics at 19 and is a pretty clearcut genius too.


I'm not a liar and I m not a genious. I m just a hard worker. I started at age 16 and I can still have fun once in a while but it's also true I had to forget about sports/EC's/ societies, all the good uni stuff that I expect to catch up nxt year at LSE. In fact, the 3 first years were quite hard and now I'm ok (except for the rush in january and may/june before the exams).
As for the course, I have had approx 30+ hours per week in lectures while a "normal" student has 15-20 hours. Of course I didn't have to do all the options. For example for my economics degree, I didn't have to go through all the law stuff and vice versa. You can imagine it doesn't represent a big part for each course, but still.
And the important thing is I have 2 different papers so that I can always proove that I worked hard to do 2 full courses and not joint honours.

Reply 216

Of course, I m just telling how it works if you want to START in one of those places. After a first degree+ experience you will be able to work wherever you want.

Reply 217

We're in the presence of a bilingual and modest genius :cool:

It is a compliment :smile:

Reply 218

Thank you PB, I know you don't give compliments very often,.. very touching :smile:.

Reply 219

CityTrader
I don't need to live on the streets to know that living in a house is more comfortable. I don't need to walk barefoot in broken glass to know it'll be more painful than walking wearing shoes. There's no doubt I'm happier with this career choice than being a PhD student with barely any saveable income to enjoy the finer things in life that I currently can.


Your analogies are pretty poor to be honest.

Is that your definition of happiness, then? Would I be happier as an IB? I don't know, I'd be richer for sure, but that's the only definitive judgement I can make. I am happy because of the people I know and the things I do, if I was in IB I wouldn't know the people I know and do the things I do, so I can't really say anything about this alternative life.

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