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    It's all meaningless. There's very little, in terms of quality, to separate Warwick and York's Economics Courses, or Physics at Imperial or Manchester. Just....look at the courses, decide which one's going to interest you, look at the places, choose your favourite, and go there. And stop whinging about "such and such is the best university". It really doesn't matter. They're all good for one reason or another.

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    (Original post by Dr. Blazed)
    It's all meaningless. There's very little, in terms of quality, to separate Warwick and York's Economics Courses, or Physics at Imperial or Manchester. Just....look at the courses, decide which one's going to interest you, look at the places, choose your favourite, and go there. And stop whinging about "such and such is the best university". It really doesn't matter. They're all good for one reason or another.

    sure but it does matter between different ones e.g. Warwick and York is not thesame. League tables are esp important if the 2 universities have gaps of 5 places or more e.g. manchester and lse. Obviously going to lse and get a 1st degree in economics give you greater possibilities in your future than a 1st degree in manchester, on average that is
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    (Original post by Dr. Blazed)
    It's all meaningless. There's very little, in terms of quality, to separate Warwick and York's Economics Courses, or Physics at Imperial or Manchester. Just....look at the courses, decide which one's going to interest you, look at the places, choose your favourite, and go there. And stop whinging about "such and such is the best university". It really doesn't matter. They're all good for one reason or another.
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    (Original post by TheWolf)
    sure but it does matter between different ones e.g. Warwick and York is not thesame. League tables are esp important if the 2 universities have gaps of 5 places or more e.g. manchester and lse. Obviously going to lse and get a 1st degree in economics give you greater possibilities in your future than a 1st degree in manchester, on average that is

    How ? What averages, where ? What do you want to do with your degree ? What if you decide London's a dirty, scummy place, don't do any work and get a third ? Wouldn't you prefer to spend an idyllic three years and graduate with a first from Manchester ?

    Furthermore, the newspapers' league tables were never intended to provide a guide to prestige - more so to evaluate the true value of a course from the perspective of different students. You can't just look at the league table, decide something's too low and ignore it - why is it low ? Would it be good for you ?
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    (Original post by James_W)
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    (Original post by TheWolf)
    sure but it does matter between different ones e.g. Warwick and York is not thesame. League tables are esp important if the 2 universities have gaps of 5 places or more e.g. manchester and lse. Obviously going to lse and get a 1st degree in economics give you greater possibilities in your future than a 1st degree in manchester, on average that is
    I agree to some extent - league tables are important in their own way. However, i don't believe their primary use comes from differentiating between universities with a 5 place gap in the tables. Universities all rank differently depending on what table you're looking at and what statistics they're based on. A 5 place gap in one table may be a 20 place gap in another. League tables are just one of many back ground research points for choosing a university you're going to be happy with - just as this forum is in a way.

    In addition, perhaps on average a 1st from LSE in Economics will open up more opportunities than a 1st from Manchester. However, this is only an average and you will only get out what you put in. Manchester is a very good university and a 1st from there will go a long way. Personally i don't think the degree difference a loan counts for anything. I believe the reason that employers may on average favour LSE graduates is because they have access to more opportunities such as 'city' work experience and seminars that enhance their employment prospects. Reputation of the department may play a factor but i don't think there is a *major* reputation difference between any of the top 15 (Higher-Tier) universities, apart from perhaps oxbridge. The big difference in future prospects comes from the difference between a degree from a 'top-tier' university and lower institutions but again any student can buck the trend by being proactive.

    All in all i would agree with the original poster that the most important factor when choosing a university is happiness, but i believe that league tables are vital part of a process that allows you to achieve this and ensure the right decision is made.
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    (Original post by need_help)
    I agree to some extent - league tables are important in their own way. However, i don't believe their primary use comes from differentiating between universities with a 5 place gap in the tables. Universities all rank differently depending on what table you're looking at and what statistics they're based on. A 5 place gap in one table may be a 20 place gap in another. League tables are just one of many back ground research points for choosing a university you're going to be happy with - just as this forum is in a way.

    In addition, perhaps on average a 1st from LSE in Economics will open up more opportunities than a 1st from Manchester. However, this is only an average and you will only get out what you put in. Manchester is a very good university and a 1st from there will go a long way. Personally i don't think the degree difference a loan counts for anything. I believe the reason that employers may on average favour LSE graduates is because they have access to more opportunities such as 'city' work experience and seminars that enhance their employment prospects. Reputation of the department may play a factor but i don't think there is a *major* reputation difference between any of the top 15 (Higher-Tier) universities, apart from perhaps oxbridge. The big difference in future prospects comes from the difference between a degree from a 'top-tier' university and lower institutions but again any student can buck the trend by being proactive.

    All in all i would agree with the original poster that the most important factor when choosing a university is happiness, but i believe that league tables are vital part of a process that allows you to achieve this and ensure the right decision is made.
    Better than I could have said it myself. In fact, better than I did say it.
    I certainly didn't mean that one should ignore league tables altogether, but as this chap has made so abundantly clear, they're not the be all and the end all.
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    Bob has a 1st from LSE. Joe has a 1st from Manchester.

    Bob bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse. Joe is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets.

    Who's gonna get the job? [/rhetorical]
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    Yup I agree with that. Judging by the reams of posts concerning stats and other small factors that can be used to make comparisons, I have to say most of you are too obsessed with it all.

    Not that it's you're fault; jobs have become more and more competitive by the year, and it's only instinct that you want to go with the best. In which case, you'll have already failed - after all, LSE isn't a patch on Harvard is it?

    WHen you get to uni, stats take a back seat (unless you're doing a stats related course ) - nowadays, even first class degrees aren't enough for some jobs, you have to have something different from the other candidates to stand out.
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    (Original post by James_W)
    Bob has a 1st from LSE. Joe has a 1st from Manchester.

    Bob bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse. Joe is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets.

    Who's gonna get the job? [/rhetorical]
    Go Joe!!!
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    See.. you haven't got to meet 'Joe' and you already like him. What a guy!
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    (Original post by James_W)
    Bob has a 1st from LSE. Joe has a 1st from Manchester.

    Bob bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse. Joe is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets.

    Who's gonna get the job? [/rhetorical]
    rhetorical i know but:

    Bob has his first from LSE - “bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse”– Joe has his from Manchester. Bob took all the right modules for the job, got all the relevant work experience and spent a lot of time developing work related personal skills. Joe “is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets”. He spent three years living life and drinking and did nothing more than the minimum to get his first.

    Who will get the job?

    Bob “bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse” – He has nothing but his first. Joe “is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets” - Joe took all the right modules for the job, got all the relevant work experience and spent a lot of time developing work related personal skills.

    Who will get the job?
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    Tables are only good if used in moderation....They have their purpose in the world, but they are not everything...

    Unis have a love/hate relationship with table/rankings....Unis like it because it helps them to market their schools when they get top rankings...when they don't get top rankings, they say it is a load of crap.

    As long as you realize that the university rankings are not everything and that you use other tangible conditions (such as visiting the school and talking to students) to make your decision then you are probably going to do ok. But if you blindly put your faith in rankings and obsess about it all day and night, you probably need to get a life.

    In the society that we live in, there is no way the rankings system is going to die out...it's just a fact of life. Just use it as a tool to gain familiarity about a uni and you should be ok....

    (Original post by need_help)
    rhetorical i know but:

    Bob has his first from LSE - “bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse”– Joe has his from Manchester. Bob took all the right modules for the job, got all the relevant work experience and spent a lot of time developing work related personal skills. Joe “is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets”. He spent three years living life and drinking and did nothing more than the minimum to get his first.

    Who will get the job?

    Bob “bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse” – He has nothing but his first. Joe “is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets” - Joe took all the right modules for the job, got all the relevant work experience and spent a lot of time developing work related personal skills.

    Who will get the job?

    Nick will get the job because he managed to get a first from LSE and was able to live his life as well.
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    You're probably at university for over 4% of your life. So go where you think you'll have the best time, not the ones with the best academic reputation :P Of course it's important that the university/course isn't complete shite, but a degree from anywhere in the top 30,40 maybe even 50 is valuable. Developing personality, skils, work experience is just as important, if not more, in later life than whether your university is 3rd in the table or 20th.

    Bear in mind if you go to an elite uni, you'll enjoy it less due to a much higher workload and a higher intake of "sleep in the library" international students.
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    i really didn't give a flying f*ck when it came to league tables and choosing a uni. I chose on location, accomodation and their organizational skills when i went on open days. to me a degree is a degree and it really gets up my nose if people look down on other peopls degrees because of where they studied.
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    (Original post by Maddock)

    Bear in mind if you go to an elite uni, you'll enjoy it less due to a much higher workload and a higher intake of "sleep in the library" international students.
    There are trillions here in Manchester
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    imagine... kazillions :P
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    (Original post by Icarus)
    Yup I agree with that. Judging by the reams of posts concerning stats and other small factors that can be used to make comparisons, I have to say most of you are too obsessed with it all.

    Not that it's you're fault; jobs have become more and more competitive by the year, and it's only instinct that you want to go with the best. In which case, you'll have already failed - after all, LSE isn't a patch on Harvard is it?

    WHen you get to uni, stats take a back seat (unless you're doing a stats related course ) - nowadays, even first class degrees aren't enough for some jobs, you have to have something different from the other candidates to stand out.

    The above is sour, mean-spirited stuff. In fact this thread is really about having a go at LSE, it seems, which negates the idea, maintained by the thread title, that it's time to rise above all these petty rivalries etc.

    In fact the effect of the sort of miserable argument made here is partly to reinforce a fake status quo: ie only Oxbridge and Harvard count, everybody else is on the same heavy but humble level. Let's all hunker down and know our place, and not bother our little heads..

    This approach just isn't real-world: the G5 contains three non-Oxbridge unis (UCL, LSE, Imperial) and this is for a good reason-these places are different, and that's why Oxbridge associates itself with them in this grouping. As for Harvard, the president of that college was down at LSE the other week giving a speech in which he told everybody of his deep respect for and fond memories of LSE. Nobody forced him to come, he's a busy guy, but somehow he neglected to go to Durham or Nottingham, worthy though they may be.

    Of course a small specialist institution, only a hundred years old (compared to much longer for some famous places) will find it difficult to match multi faculty, big bucks Harvard, but on the basis of limited cash and limited time LSE has done stunningly well.

    On the other hand I agree that the forum is far too obsessed with status -although rejecting that does not justify living in a fantasy world-and it would be nice to see more attention paid to universities outside the 'Golden Triangle' that have true world class potential and achievements, ie Edinburgh, Manchester and so on without going bananas over real and imagined prestige.

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