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    One must also bear in mind the type of jobs that are exclusive to oxford/elite university people are likely to be incredibly tedious and stressful. I'll rather take whatever the average national salary is in a nice job rather than earn £80k a year burning myself out.
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    (Original post by W.A.S Hewins)
    The above is sour, mean-spirited stuff. In fact this thread is really about having a go at LSE, it seems, which negates the idea, maintained by the thread title, that it's time to rise above all these petty rivalries etc.

    In fact the effect of the sort of miserable argument made here is partly to reinforce a fake status quo: ie only Oxbridge and Harvard count, everybody else is on the same heavy but humble level. Let's all hunker down and know our place, and not bother our little heads..

    This approach just isn't real-world: the G5 contains three non-Oxbridge unis (UCL, LSE, Imperial) and this is for a good reason-these places are different, and that's why Oxbridge associates itself with them in this grouping. As for Harvard, the president of that college was down at LSE the other week giving a speech in which he told everybody of his deep respect for and fond memories of LSE. Nobody forced him to come, he's a busy guy, but somehow he neglected to go to Durham or Nottingham, worthy though they may be.

    Of course a small specialist institution, only a hundred years old (compared to much longer for some famous places) will find it difficult to match multi faculty, big bucks Harvard, but on the basis of limited cash and limited time LSE has done stunningly well.

    On the other hand I agree that the forum is far too obsessed with status -although rejecting that does not justify living in a fantasy world-and it would be nice to see more attention paid to universities outside the 'Golden Triangle' that have true world class potential and achievements, ie Edinburgh, Manchester and so on without going bananas over real and imagined prestige.

    Feminism: by mediocrities for mediocrities...
    I don't know why you get so defensive about your beloved LSE. It was just some random remark this person made, and you've written an essay to counter it. Personally, I cannot see why you really give thaaaaaaaat much of a damn. There was another post I wrote, aimed particularly at you, about why people sometimes feel the dire urge to closely associate themselves with their university brand name. You are not you university, nor your degree, although quite a few LSE students seem to miss this point.
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    (Original post by W.A.S Hewins)
    The above is sour, mean-spirited stuff. In fact this thread is really about having a go at LSE, it seems, which negates the idea, maintained by the thread title, that it's time to rise above all these petty rivalries etc.

    ...

    On the other hand I agree that the forum is far too obsessed with status -although rejecting that does not justify living in a fantasy world-and it would be nice to see more attention paid to universities outside the 'Golden Triangle' that have true world class potential and achievements, ie Edinburgh, Manchester and so on without going bananas over real and imagined prestige.

    Feminism: by mediocrities for mediocrities...
    I was not having a specific go at LSE. It's obviously an excellent institution to study for, so no need to weep about how it's so great. I was however, trying to play down the significance of league tables and bare statisitcs, stating that if people are so worried about applying for Uni B which is one place below Uni A i.e. if they are that concerned about applying for the absolute best, that they failed anyway.
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    (Original post by Icarus)
    I was not having a specific go at LSE. It's obviously an excellent institution to study for, so no need to weep about how it's so great. I was however, trying to play down the significance of league tables and bare statisitcs, stating that if people are so worried about applying for Uni B which is one place below Uni A i.e. if they are that concerned about applying for the absolute best, that they failed anyway.
    It's more about personal aspiration, the fact that even though you'll competing with more high calibre candidates you can still do well. There's obviously nothing wrong with Uni B if it's only a place under uni A but if uni A has more applicants per place, then don't you agree it feels more of an achievement to get into uni A?
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    (Original post by Mysticmin)
    It's more about personal aspiration, the fact that even though you'll competing with more high calibre candidates you can still do well. There's obviously nothing wrong with Uni B if it's only a place under uni A but if uni A has more applicants per place, then don't you agree it feels more of an achievement to get into uni A?
    Sure, but for some people they actually consider life at uni and the course structure before the number of applicants per place.
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    (Original post by Icarus)
    Sure, but for some people they actually consider life at uni and the course structure before the number of applicants per place.
    Well I wouldn't go somewhere where I didn't like the course would I? :rolleyes: Or the place for that matter, that's why I didn't apply to durham or Bristol.
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    (Original post by Mysticmin)
    Well I wouldn't go somewhere where I didn't like the course would I? :rolleyes: Or the place for that matter, that's why I didn't apply to durham or Bristol.
    Right. But not all people are as picky in that they refer to the number of applicants a place in their course, or other interesting but not majorly significant stats. Of course they all add up, so if a uni is undersubscribed, is ranked in the bottom rung of the table etc. then I wouldn't choose it - but to regard the stastic "Number of applicants/place" as an essential factor to picking your uni is ridiculous.

    Having said that, I guess most of you here are picky
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    (Original post by Icarus)
    Right. But not all people are as picky in that they refer to the number of applicants a place in their course, or other interesting but not majorly significant stats. Of course they all add up, so if a uni is undersubscribed, is ranked in the bottom rung of the table etc. then I wouldn't choose it - but to regard the stastic "Number of applicants/place" as an essential factor to picking your uni is ridiculous.

    Having said that, I guess most of you here are picky
    Oh god no it's not essential, I think for me, its whether I like the place, the professors and how good it's reputation is. I'm picky I'm afraid, am inclined to blame it on my parents
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    (Original post by Mysticmin)
    Oh god no it's not essential, I think for me, its whether I like the place, the professors and how good it's reputation is. I'm picky I'm afraid, am inclined to blame it on my parents
    Yup, that's what I decided on in the end, in addition to getting as far away as my parents so they couldn't visit over the weekend; you can't truly live independently if you see your mom every Sunday!
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    (Original post by Icarus)
    Yup, that's what I decided on in the end, in addition to getting as far away as my parents so they couldn't visit over the weekend; you can't truly live independently if you see your mom every Sunday!
    Gah! I hope she doesn't come to visit me, hopefully she doesn't know where UCL is...(yeah right).
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    (Original post by Maddock)
    imagine... kazillions :P
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    (Original post by rednirt)
    i really didn't give a flying f*ck when it came to league tables and choosing a uni. I chose on location, accomodation and their organizational skills when i went on open days. to me a degree is a degree and it really gets up my nose if people look down on other peopls degrees because of where they studied.
    amen! i totally agree

    i chose my first choice uni (edinburgh) above others because i liked it the best on the basis what the department was like at open day, the city, the accomodation and stuff going off in the union. i know edinburgh may not have as good rep as my other offers (durham, st andrews, bath etc) but i love the place so i don't care whether the Times says uni X is better for Psychology.

    league tables are fickle anyway, uni's that are doing well now (notts, warwick, durham) might not be as highly rated 10 years down the line when you've got you're degree and are looking for jobs. i'm not saying totally ignore league tables, they do give a general overview of where a uni's at, but picking any uni in the top 30 will get you a good job. a degree is a degree at the end of the day.
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    (Original post by need_help)
    rhetorical i know but:

    Bob has his first from LSE - “bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse”– Joe has his from Manchester. Bob took all the right modules for the job, got all the relevant work experience and spent a lot of time developing work related personal skills. Joe “is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets”. He spent three years living life and drinking and did nothing more than the minimum to get his first.

    Who will get the job?

    Bob “bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse” – He has nothing but his first. Joe “is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets” - Joe took all the right modules for the job, got all the relevant work experience and spent a lot of time developing work related personal skills.

    Who will get the job?
    Bob would never ever get the job - but the whole situation is hypothetical because it's only using two people.

    You're throwing more variables into the equation, for some reason - so let me some it up here...

    If you go to a decent University (not TVU/Northampton standard) and get a good class degree - the personality and other things will be the deciding factor, not the University you went to.
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    (Original post by James_W)
    Bob would never ever get the job - but the whole situation is hypothetical because it's only using two people.

    You're throwing more variables into the equation, for some reason - so let me some it up here...

    If you go to a decent University (not TVU/Northampton standard) and get a good class degree - the personality and other things will be the deciding factor, not the University you went to.
    agree completely!!!
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    (Original post by VoodooDoll)
    league tables are fickle anyway, uni's that are doing well now (notts, warwick, durham) might not be as highly rated 10 years down the line when you've got you're degree and are looking for jobs. .
    It takes 10 years to finish a degree? I'd rather get a job if that was the case!!
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    (Original post by Icarus)
    It takes 10 years to finish a degree? I'd rather get a job if that was the case!!
    lol yeah imagine the student debt if that was the case...CORRR BLIMEY!
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    Whilst I agree with many of the opinions on this thread...I can't help but feel that to choose on the basis of open days is also a poor decision. I mean, it really isn't likely to be a fair representation of what your department / course are going to be like, is it?
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    (Original post by James_W)
    Bob would never ever get the job - but the whole situation is hypothetical because it's only using two people.

    You're throwing more variables into the equation, for some reason - so let me some it up here...

    If you go to a decent University (not TVU/Northampton standard) and get a good class degree - the personality and other things will be the deciding factor, not the University you went to.
    That was my point - perhaps badly made - it was late last night
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    True, out tour day (as with most tours) consisted of a browse through the important rooms and locations in the department; I guess in truth in depends a lot on the people who are with you in the department for that year i.e. the other students, who might not be there come open day.
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    (Original post by Dr. Blazed)
    It's all meaningless. There's very little, in terms of quality, to separate Warwick and York's Economics Courses, or Physics at Imperial or Manchester. Just....look at the courses, decide which one's going to interest you, look at the places, choose your favourite, and go there. And stop whinging about "such and such is the best university". It really doesn't matter. They're all good for one reason or another.
    you know what, you're right. Thank you.
 
 
 

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