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    (Original post by Dr. Blazed)
    It's all meaningless. There's very little, in terms of quality, to separate Warwick and York's Economics Courses, or Physics at Imperial or Manchester. Just....look at the courses, decide which one's going to interest you, look at the places, choose your favourite, and go there. And stop whinging about "such and such is the best university". It really doesn't matter. They're all good for one reason or another.
    You've also got to remember that the league tables will all be different in 5 years when we're trying to get a job and impress employers...they won't be thinking..."ah thats right York was top when she started", so as long as you go for one that has a reasonable rep and is on the "way up" then you'll be fine. most important thing is to enjoy it.
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    (Original post by hohum)
    You've also got to remember that the league tables will all be different in 5 years when we're trying to get a job and impress employers...they won't be thinking..."ah thats right York was top when she started", so as long as you go for one that has a reasonable rep and is on the "way up" then you'll be fine. most important thing is to enjoy it.
    Agreed, hence you can't just look at this year's table, you've got to back track five years and find out how the Univerity is generally perceived. I always thought looking at the profiles of people doing the job you want to do would help.
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    (Original post by Icarus)
    Sure, but for some people they actually consider life at uni and the course structure before the number of applicants per place.
    Yeah, I based my decision on the course and the uni THEN decided on Manchester and Notts THEN I looked at the applicants per place THEN I cried myself to sleep....
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    (Original post by Leekey)
    Yeah, I based my decision on the course and the uni THEN decided on Manchester and Notts THEN I looked at the applicants per place THEN I cried myself to sleep....
    Ok so the applicants per place was a bad comment seeing as oxbridge have about four.

    For me it was a matter of whether the company I want to work for recruited from universities on campus as well.
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    (Original post by Mysticmin)
    Ok so the applicants per place was a bad comment seeing as oxbridge have about four.

    For me it was a matter of whether the company I want to work for recruited from universities on campus as well.
    I remember making my final decision while eating a Chicken Rogan Josh in a dodgey curry house about 10 mins walk from the Manchester Uni. It was one of the nicest curry's ever and I thought I would like live here. Then I took a look at the comp sci prospectus and saw the 5* rating...my mind was made up!!!
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    most of the employers that ive spoen to and from the advice that weve been given at school seems to say that employers just want to see you have a decent degree.. (unless youre gong into med/vet/law other specific things) .. a lot of general jobs just require a good degree regardless of where you went (within reason)
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    I am not too bothered about reputation. I know if I work hard I am learning a lot, I will probably get at least a 2:1. For my line of work its not the degree employers will be bothered about, its what I have learn't on my degree and how I conduct myself in an interview.
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    (Original post by amazingtrade)
    I am not too bothered about reputation. I know if I work hard I am learning a lot, I will probably get at least a 2:1. For my line of work its not the degree employers will be bothered about, its what I have learn't on my degree and how I conduct myself in an interview.

    Although I agree with the gist of what you're saying, and think that this should be the mentallity that people ought to adopt, I'm not quite sure if YOU agree with it...
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    (Original post by J.S.)
    Although I agree with the gist of what you're saying, and think that this should be the mentallity that people ought to adopt, I'm not quite sure if YOU agree with it...
    I realise its better to go to a better university, but if say a Manchester student turned up to an interview not really sure what he's/she's going on about and a Salford one is very good and knows all the answers to the questions, it would be the Salford one that gets the job.

    However if a Manchester student was just as good then they wou;ld probably get the job.
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    (Original post by W.A.S Hewins)
    The above is sour, mean-spirited stuff. In fact this thread is really about having a go at LSE, it seems, which negates the idea, maintained by the thread title, that it's time to rise above all these petty rivalries etc.

    In fact the effect of the sort of miserable argument made here is partly to reinforce a fake status quo: ie only Oxbridge and Harvard count, everybody else is on the same heavy but humble level. Let's all hunker down and know our place, and not bother our little heads..

    This approach just isn't real-world: the G5 contains three non-Oxbridge unis (UCL, LSE, Imperial) and this is for a good reason-these places are different, and that's why Oxbridge associates itself with them in this grouping. As for Harvard, the president of that college was down at LSE the other week giving a speech in which he told everybody of his deep respect for and fond memories of LSE. Nobody forced him to come, he's a busy guy, but somehow he neglected to go to Durham or Nottingham, worthy though they may be.

    Of course a small specialist institution, only a hundred years old (compared to much longer for some famous places) will find it difficult to match multi faculty, big bucks Harvard, but on the basis of limited cash and limited time LSE has done stunningly well.

    On the other hand I agree that the forum is far too obsessed with status -although rejecting that does not justify living in a fantasy world-and it would be nice to see more attention paid to universities outside the 'Golden Triangle' that have true world class potential and achievements, ie Edinburgh, Manchester and so on without going bananas over real and imagined prestige.

    Feminism: by mediocrities for mediocrities...

    well it does in 'fact matter' what uni you goto as well as your degree, would it really not make a difference to my career prospects if i went somwhere like coventry uni then warwick uni? yeah right
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    having spent some time in research, and talking to the people who choose who they should take on for post-grads, it seems to me a 1:1 speaks the most, and as-long as your uni is respected in your subject the amount of time and hard work you had to put in to get that 1:1 is pretty similar whever you went and employers know that... particularly in the sciences where the courses for undergrad are very similar across the board.
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    (Original post by Dr. Blazed)
    It's all meaningless. There's very little, in terms of quality, to separate Warwick and York's Economics Courses, or Physics at Imperial or Manchester. Just....look at the courses, decide which one's going to interest you, look at the places, choose your favourite, and go there. And stop whinging about "such and such is the best university". It really doesn't matter. They're all good for one reason or another.
    I have to say I agree with you

    In my opinion you should go to the university that feels the most 'you' and has the course that you think you'll enjoy most.

    Some people thought I was mad for choosing Cardiff over Nottingham (in my subject there's actually very little difference according to these 'evil' stats but overall Nottingham is higher up) and Manchester (same again) but I just didn't feel right at Nottingham and Manchester was nice but I just felt like Cardiff was the place for me so I went there and I have no regrets at all
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    I almost completely withdrew from uni because of league tables.

    Ive applied to do comp sci at teesside and from what people have told me, generally its a crap uni however for Computing and IT its rather good. I got so caught up in league tables and really did feel like crap for a few weeks. It wasn't ranked as high as I thought it would be. it changes every year, teesside was like 11th last year according the the guardian.

    Fact is, I'm not good enough to go to redbrick uni's, its realistic for me and im not ashamed of that, I think its quite remarkable that Ive got into uni since i spent all my time in primary school in learning support.

    Seeing as reviews of the course at teesside, internal and external seem to be rather good im happy to stick to it. Im not after the Best education in the world for the subject and i do feel intimidated with the majority of people here going to redbrick uni's.

    Leage tables do provide some adaquate insight and its just my opinion that they shouldn't justify a drematic change in choices. I think that unless I go to a top tier uni, where i get my degree doesn't matter too much
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    (Original post by James_W)
    Bob has a 1st from LSE. Joe has a 1st from Manchester.

    Bob bores the living **** out of everyone he comes into contact with, and has his head up his arse. Joe is a lively, likeable fella that gets on with everyone he meets.

    Who's gonna get the job? [/rhetorical]
    In a perfect world Joe would get it. But sorry the world ain't perfect by along shot so chances are Bib would get the job. And that wasn't a fair test, why not say both of them are equal then measure their chances? You're just stereotyping, not everyone from LSE or Oxbridge is big headed.
    For the less prestigious jobs who would give a damn, but for the most competitive industries university matters.
    Just look at employee profiles of the top management consulting firms or IB firms. Esp consulting, I went on the website of mercer management consulting and in the profiles every person from the London office went to Oxbride!!crazy isn't it, though I'm sure there are exceptions.
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    (Original post by Dr. Blazed)
    It's all meaningless. There's very little, in terms of quality, to separate Warwick and York's Economics Courses, or Physics at Imperial or Manchester. Just....look at the courses, decide which one's going to interest you, look at the places, choose your favourite, and go there. And stop whinging about "such and such is the best university". It really doesn't matter. They're all good for one reason or another.

    I agree. :cool:
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    Way to dig up an old thread, ladies

    But really, IB's and management consultancies aren't entirely populated by Oxbridge and LSE graduates. If you think they are, you've been misled.
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    (Original post by Dr. Blazed)
    It's all meaningless. There's very little, in terms of quality, to separate Warwick and York's Economics Courses, or Physics at Imperial or Manchester. Just....look at the courses, decide which one's going to interest you, look at the places, choose your favourite, and go there. And stop whinging about "such and such is the best university". It really doesn't matter. They're all good for one reason or another.
    I'd have to disagree. to say "its all meaningless" , "it doesn't really matter" is unfair, unis have different rankings and percieved standings for reasons. whether they are valid reasons (eg people suggestiong oxbridge are living off reputation) is a different argument, but society is such that it is built around perceptions. sure, if you have other attributes and have a degree from manchester compared to a degree from LSE then youll get the job, so to speak, but if an interviewer subconciously believes that LSE is a "better" institution than manchester, for whatever reason, then why not give yourself that advantage, however minimal it may be.

    the university that you go to will stick with you for your life, if someone tells you they graduated from oxford this will instantly affect your perception of them.

    i fully agree with you that you should "choose your favourite and go there" , but people should not be criticised if part of their reason for a university being their favourite is beacuse of its reputation or league table standing.
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    Sometimes you're better off going to a Russell Group member than follow leage tables.
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    (Original post by W.A.S Hewins)
    As for Harvard, the president of that college was down at LSE the other week giving a speech in which he told everybody of his deep respect for and fond memories of LSE. Nobody forced him to come, he's a busy guy, but somehow he neglected to go to Durham or Nottingham, worthy though they may be.
    Possibly because the LSE is in London, and he's an economist, and he probably got paid. And perhaps he failed to mention the LSE on his bio page because he was worried that people would be intimidated by his having spent a sabbatical at such a prestigious institution?
 
 
 
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