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Labour are centre right to moderate right, the Tories are also Moderate right.
By the sounds of it, you think everything is right wing. I wasn't trying to be contentious, I was merely stating that from an objective view point, labour would say that they leant left and Tories lean right. Generally in the UK, everything is quite close to central. It's only parties like UKIP or the communist parties that lean strongly one way or another.
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By the sounds of it, you think everything is right wing. I wasn't trying to be contentious, I was merely stating that from an objective view point, labour would say that they leant left and Tories lean right. Generally in the UK, everything is quite close to central. It's only parties like UKIP or the communist parties that lean strongly one way or another.
Oh yes, Labour are left ... left of the tories that is

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You have just described a multitude of far-left parties and far-left people.

Ever heard of the UAF, SWP? Labour MP's, Lefist institutions within universities, unions?
yes, but on this thread and tsr it is the right who are aggressive.

labour mps? leftist institutions within universities and unions? i dont have a clue what you are on about i fail to see how they are insulting and aggressive to others. i will give you uaf are aggressive
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yes, but on this thread and tsr it is the right who are aggressive.

labour mps? leftist institutions within universities and unions? i dont have a clue what you are on about i fail to see how they are insulting and aggressive to others. i will give you uaf are aggressive
There are probably as many aggressive leftists are there are "rightists"
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O.K. well left and right wing is a simplified view of the whole political spectrum but it's a good place to start.

We'll start with the Right: On a social level, the right generally believes that a hierarchy in society is natural and normal. For them, the idea of a class system whereby the richer employ the poorer in a triangle is healthy because everybody benefits and it has historically been the natural order of things.
Their economic policy (generally speaking) complements this, by promoting a form of capitalism which gives more economic freedom to big businesses. This means fewer regulations and lower taxes. They argue that as big businesses grow they create jobs for the working class and gradually everyone gets richer.

The left on the other hand is more keen to reduce the gaps in society between the rich and the poor. They believe society should work together to help everybody, with schemes like the NHS and Benefits. They argue the rich should pay for this through taxes, thus reducing the gap between rich and poor.
To do this, economically, they need to raise taxes. They also prefer to regulate 'the Market', which means distributing the wealth created on the stock market and in banks so that it does not all end up in the pockets of millionaires but some of it goes to the country's problems.

The easiest way to think about it is the idea of 'State vs. Market'. The state is the government, using its power to solve problems that only the government can; healthcare, policing, schools etc. Those departments are the 'public sector'. The market is the capitalist force which creates wealth, such as business transactions and banking. This is the 'private sector'.

The left wants more state control and less market freedom. The right wants less state control and more market freedom.

The centre is a mixture.

So in UK politics, it is generally seen as being the Conservatives on the right, the Lib Dems in the centre, and Labour on the left. However, all of these are central compared to the extreme right of UKIP (Little state control, little sympathy for immigrants and a dislike of Europe) and the extreme left of Communism (State controls everything). We don't have a large communist party in Britain but the Greens are probably 'socialist' which is on the left and is a different system altogether to capitalism.

I hope that helped, please ask if you have some more questions.
UKIP is not "extreme right".
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(Original post by Hermóðr)
UKIP is not "extreme right".
rubbish, they are socially authoritarian and extreme right economically, they are the definition of right wing
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Left wing is generally a more liberal and forward-moving ideology whereas right wing is more conservative and generally traditional. In the UK, Labour are leaning left from centre and the Conservatives are leaning right from centre. Universities and Unions (social, student, trade etc) are generally left wing and look for high levels of government intervention. The wealthy, and big business owners are often right wing and support low government spending and involvement in society.

Hope this helps X
I'm really confused as to why I got 3 negatives for this answer? I was only trying to help, in an understandable and objective way. If I said something wrong/ inappropriate/ unhelpful, I'd really like correction rather than just a negative vote!
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Well the first thing, politics in Europe and the US are quite different. So when referencing (sorry, don't know what happened to the rest of the post, let's see if I can remember what I said, update 1/21/17) Left and Right, one also has to take into account East and West, so to speak.
Since Europe has never had Laissez Faire Capitalism, nor has the Sovereignty ever resided in the People, they do not have a "Right Wing" from the perspective of these United States, they just have a Left and Center. Their "Right Wing" or "conservatism" would seek a return to monarchy, and a ruling class. That is why brain damaged morons such as 'A thought' think the Right Wing in these United States believes "generally believes that a hierarchy in society is natural and normal." That is the thinking of a brain damaged, elitist aristocrat, not unlike Alexander Hamilton.
If one understands that the "political Spectrum" i.e. the Left v. Right, is merely and simply a measure of force of Government (regulation, legislation and control) then it is very easy to understand Left v. Right. In other words, the more regulation, the more control, the more legislation a Government enacts the more Left Wing it is. The more Liberty

Liberty 1. the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

the Government allows the People, the more Right Wing it is.
That is why so many people confuse Fascism as being Right Wing. It is in Europe, because it seems to be erroneously defined by monarchy (rule by one) and an authoritative governance. In the US Fascism is considered Center/Left, since it can not reach the far Right nature of our political spectrum.
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Surely this whole debate is rendered moot when you finally wake up and realise that the banking elite control the world. Families such as the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, Goldman Sachs and the Morgans exert undue influence over politicians. Voting is the illusion of choice but society is too brainwashed to see the truth. People vote for a new slave master every four years. The banking elite or globalists also control America especially through the Federal reserve bank which has perpetuated debt since its inception in 1913. I wish more people would wake up to how inept politicians truly are. the banking elite would never fully trust these imbeciles to run proceedings.
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The Rothschilds control every central bank in the world except for 9 countries. They have funded both sides of every war since 1800 including the Napoleonic war. They also own a vast amount of the media, especially the associated press which disseminates news stories to every outlet across the world. Television news is pure propaganda and the internet is required to gain some semblance of truth. People should study the Hegelian Dialectic because politicians gradually erode our civil liberties. They present the problem, await our fearful response and try to quell our fears with a solution e.g ......a vast number of cctv surveillance cameras, which statistically help to solve very few crimes. The hegelian dialectic is a centuries old process which is designed to hand more and more power to the elite. WAKE UP!!!!!!
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""They also own a vast amount of the media, especially the associated press which disseminates news stories to every outlet across the world. Television news is pure propaganda and the internet is required to gain some semblance of truth.""

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I am not sure if it only the Rothschilds... according to some, about 90% of the MSM is owned by 6 conglomerates. People tend to confuse methods of rule {Anarchy,(none) monarchy,(one) oligarchy,(few) democracy(majority) and republic(law)} or governance with political or economic systems. Communist, Fascist, or Capitalist economics can work under more than one form of Governance.
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Yes..... six conglomerates own 90 to 96 percent of the media industry in America. I could write reams of material because i have been researching it for a long time but i didn't want to bombard people with info, lol. People may falsely believe i'm bigoted by saying this but the simple truth is that the banking elite are predominantly Zionist Jews. That also applies to Hollywood and the media industry in general. Their influence led to America pumping 38 billion into Israel recently. Zionist Jews wish to establish the sovereign nation of Israel which is exclusively for Jews or at least in principle. Just saying incase people wish to research the puppet masters of American politics and indeed the globe. This includes George Soros and Henry Kissinger. Check out the 1988 cult film called They Live! It replaced the elite with aliens and it discussed how society is induced into a deep sleep.
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People may also wish to research the New World Order and the Georgia Guidestones. You will end up disappearing down the rabbit hole........The Matrix was truly an allegory for modern society.
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You post some good comments
I can't post links here, but you should Youtube "the War on Reality" they make some very excellent points
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I would also recommend that people avoid aspartame in diet fizzy drinks and diluted drinks. It originated as a biological weapon and is a neuro toxin. The public needs to avoid fluoride because it is also a cancerous neuro toxin which reduces I.Q. levels and leads to infertility. Nazis used it in concentration camps to sterilise and the Russians used it in their gulags and eventually in their prisons from the 1950's. Fluoride makes people more passive and less resistant to authority. Use fluoride free toothpaste. Processed meats have sodium nitrite so avoid. Soy/ soya is in 60 percent of processed foods and it is usually linked to GMO foods and it inflicts many, many ailments. It is also in bread as soya flour. MSG or Monosodium Glutamate is also very harmful. It's on many crisps or potato chips in America and it's used in Asian restaurants. Fluoride was added to milk in the UK in 1993,specifically in Merseyside. If you are not familiar with depopulation you should read Ted Turners quotes and other elites.
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Left-wing - Socially liberal which is to say, in favour of abortion, euthanasia, same-sex unions, drug legalisation, etc.
- Either mixed economically or entirely statist. I.e. in favour of nationalising key industries, a lot of redistributive taxation, etc.

Right-wing - Socially conservative - just the opposite of socially liberal.
- Either mixed economically or entirely free market. I.e. in favour of privatising most industries and getting the state out of business activity. State either lightly regulates or not at all.

Those definitions don't cover all categories - e.g. leftist Anarchists or right-wing Nazis. But they do cover almost all centre and left-right ideologies. A lot of us borrow from both categories btw. I'm just giving the old fashioned view here.
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The elite openly discuss depopulation as some wish to reduce numbers by 80 to 95 percent depending on the quote. GMO foods lead to infertility within three generations. A great gandmother can pass down toxic genetic traits through multiple generations simply through diet. I read a very detailed depopulation source which stated that fluoride is also in soft drinks, beer and fruit drinks. Tinned foods are laced with Bisphenol A which is the same as BPA plastics. They have excess oestrogen which leads to thyroid problems, obesity, cancer, diabetes and depression. Tinned food is targeted at poorer people. Aluminium is found in the brains of Alzheimer's patients in high quantities. Soft drinks leech aluminium from tins. When aluminium and fluoride combine it increases toxicity by ten thousand percent.
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"GMO foods lead to infertility within three generations."
Dude, seriously? Now you have just gone off the rails.
Do you even understand how GMO works?
E.G. In BT Corn, certain cells express a protein that is harmless to humans, yet interacts in the insects digestive system, killing it. And these proteins are not even expressed in the grain kernel that is consumed by humans.
One needs to understand biology, before making such claims. An eye cell contains the very same DNA that is contained in a liver cell, yet each performs a completely different function, don't they? the same is true in plants. So, the properties expressed in the plant's stalk, say to resist herbicide, is not expressed in the seed kernel that is consumed by livestock or humans.
I grew up on a farm, my siblings still farm, and three of my nephews are agronomists, with college education, and deal with this daily. If there were any real and substantiated truth to the claims you just made, we would know about it.
I suggest you lay off the propaganda.
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RainbowMan; right-wing Nazis.

I keep seeing people post this, and I am curious, what makes "Nazi" Right Wing?

As I understand it, the Right Wing is generally pretty much pro Liberty:
  1. the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

And if I understand Hitler's policies, they are anything but pro Liberty. Is it Right Wing, simply because some academic says so? And what are they basing it on?

I do know that the political spectrums of the US and Europe are not the same, so while it is may be true, Nazism may be Right Wing in Europe (as it calls for a return to monarchism) how can it be Right Wing in the US, when the Right Wing here calls for a return true Constitutionalism, Federalism, and not Unitarianism?
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Normal plants produce formaldehyde but they reduce this toxicity by Glutathione. GMO plants contain 300 percent less Glutathione and collect formaldehyde in larger quantities and it is carcinogenic. This was recently proven and given peer approval by the scientific community. The pioneer behind it invented email. His group of scientific researchers highlighted the dangers.
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