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Hi all,

My first ever post in the Maths fora... wow. I have this practice question to do, I think I have the answer to part <a>, but then again, knowing me I may be way off.

Relative to a fixed Origin O, the point A has position vector 3i + 2j - k, the point B has position vector 5i +j + k and the point C has position vector 7i - j.

<a> find the cosine of angle ABC
<b> Find the exact value of the area of Triangle ABC

The point D has position vector 7i + 3k
<c> Show that AC is perpendicular to CD
<d> Find the ratio AD : DB

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :smile:
Relative to a fixed Origin O, the point A has position vector 3i + 2j - k, the point B has position vector 5i +j + k and the point C has position vector 7i - j.

<a> find the cosine of angle ABC


BA = a - b = (3, 2, -1) - (5, 1, 1) = (-2, 1, -2)
|BA| = sqrt(2^2 + 1^2 + 2^2) = sqrt9 = 3

BC = c-b = (7, -1, 0) - (5, 1, 1) = (2, -2, -1)
|BC| = sqrt(2^2 + 2^2 + 1^2) = sqrt9 = 3

(BA).(BC) = -2(2) -2(1) -1(-2) = -4

cosX = (BA).(BC)/(|BA||BC|) = -4/(3x3) = -4/9 = 4/9 (same either way around, since cos graph reflects in y axis)

<b> Find the exact value of the area of Triangle ABC


cosX = 4/9
Area = 1/2 absinC
if you draw a right angled triangle using the cos value you have, then work out the other side... does that make sense?
the other side = sqrt ( 9^2 - 4^2 ) = sqrt65 = sqrt5sqrt13
so sinX = O/H = sqrt65 / 9

Area = 1/2 absinC = 1/2 (3)(3)sqrt65/9 = (sqrt65)/2

The point D has position vector 7i + 3k
<c> Show that AC is perpendicular to CD

AC = c-a = (7, -1, 0) - (3, 2, -1) = (4, -3, 1)
CD = d-c = (7, 0, 3) - (7, -1, 0) = (0, 1, 3)

(AC).(CD) = 4(0) -3(1) + 1(3) = 0
but
(AC).(CD) = |AC||CD|cosX
--> cosX = 0
--> X = 90
--> vectors are perpendicular.

<d> Find the ratio AD : DB

AD = d-a = (7, 0, 3) - (3, 2, -1) = (4, -2, 4)
|AD| = sqrt ( 4^2 + 2^2 + 4^2) = sqrt36 = 6

DB = b-d = (5, 1, 1) - (7, 0, 3) = (-2, 1, -2)
|DB| = sqrt(2^2 + 1^2 + 2^2) = sqrt9 = 3

--> AD: DB = 6:3 = 2:1


I hope that makes sense... if any of it doesn't, yell at me and I'll try again :smile: Vectors are just bags of fun all the way...
Reply 2
That was incredibly useful IN. I somehow got 2^2 to equal 16..

Thank you so very much indeed. :smile: Really appreciated.
You're welcome :smile: I'm glad it was useful.
Reply 4
Original post by ImperceptibleNinja
BA = a - b = (3, 2, -1) - (5, 1, 1) = (-2, 1, -2)
|BA| = sqrt(2^2 + 1^2 + 2^2) = sqrt9 = 3

BC = c-b = (7, -1, 0) - (5, 1, 1) = (2, -2, -1)
|BC| = sqrt(2^2 + 2^2 + 1^2) = sqrt9 = 3

(BA).(BC) = -2(2) -2(1) -1(-2) = -4

cosX = (BA).(BC)/(|BA||BC|) = -4/(3x3) = -4/9 = 4/9 (same either way around, since cos graph reflects in y axis)



cosX = 4/9
Area = 1/2 absinC
if you draw a right angled triangle using the cos value you have, then work out the other side... does that make sense?
the other side = sqrt ( 9^2 - 4^2 ) = sqrt65 = sqrt5sqrt13
so sinX = O/H = sqrt65 / 9

Area = 1/2 absinC = 1/2 (3)(3)sqrt65/9 = (sqrt65)/2


AC = c-a = (7, -1, 0) - (3, 2, -1) = (4, -3, 1)
CD = d-c = (7, 0, 3) - (7, -1, 0) = (0, 1, 3)

(AC).(CD) = 4(0) -3(1) + 1(3) = 0
but
(AC).(CD) = |AC||CD|cosX
--> cosX = 0
--> X = 90
--> vectors are perpendicular.


AD = d-a = (7, 0, 3) - (3, 2, -1) = (4, -2, 4)
|AD| = sqrt ( 4^2 + 2^2 + 4^2) = sqrt36 = 6

DB = b-d = (5, 1, 1) - (7, 0, 3) = (-2, 1, -2)
|DB| = sqrt(2^2 + 1^2 + 2^2) = sqrt9 = 3

--> AD: DB = 6:3 = 2:1


I hope that makes sense... if any of it doesn't, yell at me and I'll try again :smile: Vectors are just bags of fun all the way...


you are good at explaining (5yrs later) :wink:
Original post by iqraxx
you are good at explaining (5yrs later) :wink:

Thank you :biggrin:
Reply 6
Original post by ImperceptibleNinja
Thank you :biggrin:


Are you any good at implicit differentiation? I'm getting the dy/dx 's in the wrong places. How do you know which terms have dy/dx at the end when they are differentiated implicitly?

Thanks :biggrin:
Original post by iqraxx
How do you know which terms have dy/dx at the end when they are differentiated implicitly?


The terms where you differentiate y have a dy/dx on the end:

y=y2+x2y=y^2 + x^2 differentiated becomes dydx=2ydydx+2x\dfrac{dy}{dx} = 2y \dfrac{dy}{dx} + 2x
Reply 8
Original post by foolsihboy
The terms where you differentiate y have a dy/dx on the end:

y=y2+x2y=y^2 + x^2 differentiated becomes dydx=2ydydx+2x\dfrac{dy}{dx} = 2y \dfrac{dy}{dx} + 2x


Thanks! can you help me with these:
y=x^(x^2), find dy/dx in terms of x.

find dy/dx in terms of y for e^y
Reply 9
actually ignore the last bit, i understand that one, just the first one please.
Original post by iqraxx

y=x^(x^2), find dy/dx in terms of x.


note that ln(y)=x2ln(x)\ln (y)=x^2 \ln (x)

and ddxlny=1ydydx\dfrac{d}{dx} \ln y = \dfrac{1}{y} \dfrac{dy}{dx}
Reply 11
in your original equation BA -1 - 1 = 2? surely it should = 0
correct me if i'm wrong but 0.5 * 3*3 * sin(sqrt65/9) is not sqrt65/2 because you cant times inside the sin bracket by the outside