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I would like to know how hard it is to get into engineering at Durham? As there is only one course is it especially competitive? I will be applying for aeronautical engineering elsewhere but the prospect of 2 years of general and specialising later is also appealing so I am likely to apply to Durham aswell. It would also be great to hear from anyone who has done engineering and what their experience was like.

Any help is greatly appreciated
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Durham is consistent ranked as the best in the country for engineering, and hasn't been outside the top 3 or 4 in the subject for years and years and years, making the course very very desirable, and extremely competitive, last cycle 503 out of 1114 applications got made an offer (45%) of which only 319 ended up actually coming (they may have gone somewhere else out of choice, or not met the grades), 45% is just below the university average (which itself is below 50%).

source: http://www.dur.ac.uk/undergraduate/apply/statistics/

This is what they say about entry requirements for engineering:
"The expected minimum entry requirement for the Engineering MEng is normally three GCE Advanced Level passes at grades A*AA, to include Mathematics and Physics, but excluding General Studies and Critical Thinking."
taken from here : http://www.dur.ac.uk/ecs/ecs_undergr..._requirements/
you can look around there for more answers.

Hope that helped
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Durham is consistent ranked as the best in the country for engineering, and hasn't been outside the top 3 or 4 in the subject for years and years and years, making the course very very desirable, and extremely competitive, last cycle 503 out of 1114 applications got made an offer (45%) of which only 319 ended up actually coming (they may have gone somewhere else out of choice, or not met the grades), 45% is just below the university average (which itself is below 50%).

source: http://www.dur.ac.uk/undergraduate/apply/statistics/

This is what they say about entry requirements for engineering:
"The expected minimum entry requirement for the Engineering MEng is normally three GCE Advanced Level passes at grades A*AA, to include Mathematics and Physics, but excluding General Studies and Critical Thinking."
taken from here : http://www.dur.ac.uk/ecs/ecs_undergr..._requirements/
you can look around there for more answers.

Hope that helped
Great, thanks for the help-much appreciated, I wonder also if my personal statement had an aeronautical slant, would it put me at a disadvantage? As it is an application for general engineering, as i have heard that durham put a slightly heavier emphasis on the personal statement
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Durham is consistent ranked as the best in the country for engineering, and hasn't been outside the top 3 or 4 in the subject for years and years and years, making the course very very desirable, and extremely competitive, last cycle 503 out of 1114 applications got made an offer (45%) of which only 319 ended up actually coming (they may have gone somewhere else out of choice, or not met the grades), 45% is just below the university average (which itself is below 50%).

source: http://www.dur.ac.uk/undergraduate/apply/statistics/

This is what they say about entry requirements for engineering:
"The expected minimum entry requirement for the Engineering MEng is normally three GCE Advanced Level passes at grades A*AA, to include Mathematics and Physics, but excluding General Studies and Critical Thinking."
taken from here : http://www.dur.ac.uk/ecs/ecs_undergr..._requirements/
you can look around there for more answers.

Hope that helped
Best in the country?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...ering-general-

Reckons it's 15th, not top

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...al+Engineering
13th here.
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I would like to know how hard it is to get into engineering at Durham? As there is only one course is it especially competitive? I will be applying for aeronautical engineering elsewhere but the prospect of 2 years of general and specialising later is also appealing so I am likely to apply to Durham aswell. It would also be great to hear from anyone who has done engineering and what their experience was like.

Any help is greatly appreciated
(Original post by Andy023)
Great, thanks for the help-much appreciated, I wonder also if my personal statement had an aeronautical slant, would it put me at a disadvantage? As it is an application for general engineering, as i have heard that durham put a slightly heavier emphasis on the personal statement
My two comments to add are that:
- not only do you specialise later on, but apparently it's also very easy to change your mind before you actually start the specialised course
- I think a PS having an aeronautical slant would be an advantage, if anything, since it shows you've got particular interest and knowledge about something already.
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You should know better than to place all your faith in league tables which are more often than not, incorrect.
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You should know better than to place all your faith in league tables which are more often than not, incorrect.
So have you got any evidence to back up the claim made any 'better' evidence?
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So have you got any evidence to back up the claim made any 'better' evidence?
First of all I would like to point that I was not in any way seeking to defend Durham's engineering prowess because a) I don't care and b) I know nothing about Durham's engineering department. Secondly, your clinging to the league tables like they're Gospel is frankly laughable.

Well let's look at the Guardian league table first shall we?

1. Notice that many universities have missing data. For example, Oxford in this case has no data on Student course satisfaction, Student teaching satisfaction and Student feedback satisfaction. How can a ranking be calculated accurately when so much data is missing?

2. Notice some of the data used to calculate the ranking score. A student's entry tariff is not necessarily related to the quality of a department.

3. Incomplete table - due to a lack of data many universities are not included.

4. Factual errors - at first glance Exeter, Leeds, Imperial and Leicester do not offer a General Engineering programme yet they are still included

Now let's look at the Complete University Guide table.

1. Again notice the missing data, Surrey's score in this case is only calculated using two pieces of data.

2. Again notice the data used to calculate the scores.

3. Factual errors - at first glance Nottingham, Surrey, Imperial and Cardiff do not offer a General Engineering programme yet they are still included.

Also notice the difference in ranking for several institutions between the two tables. Edinburgh Napier: Guardian Ranking - 11, Complete University Guide Ranking - 43. Bit odd that?

I could have added more detail but I got bored...
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First of all I would like to point that I was not in any way seeking to defend Durham's engineering prowess because a) I don't care and b) I know nothing about Durham's engineering department. Secondly, your clinging to the league tables like they're Gospel is frankly laughable.

Well let's look at the Guardian league table first shall we?

1. Notice that many universities have missing data. For example, Oxford in this case has no data on Student course satisfaction, Student teaching satisfaction and Student feedback satisfaction. How can a ranking be calculated accurately when so much data is missing?

2. Notice some of the data used to calculate the ranking score. A student's entry tariff is not necessarily related to the quality of a department.

3. Incomplete table - due to a lack of data many universities are not included.

4. Factual errors - at first glance Exeter, Leeds, Imperial and Leicester do not offer a General Engineering programme yet they are still included

Now let's look at the Complete University Guide table.

1. Again notice the missing data, Surrey's score in this case is only calculated using two pieces of data.

2. Again notice the data used to calculate the scores.

3. Factual errors - at first glance Nottingham, Surrey, Imperial and Cardiff do not offer a General Engineering programme yet they are still included.

Also notice the difference in ranking for several institutions between the two tables. Edinburgh Napier: Guardian Ranking - 11, Complete University Guide Ranking - 43. Bit odd that?

I could have added more detail but I got bored...
Woah, all I was asking was if you had any better evidence

No need to attack my character, or any existing evidence
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I wouldn't recommend Durham University engineering department because their exams were a disgrace this year (2018) for the 2nd year engineers. Of the 5 exams I sat 3 of them contained errors which were only highlighted to us when we were sitting the exams. They offer no help with writing reports and it is strikingly obvious that you struggle if you have been educated in a state school to a private school. They also do not state before you apply that if you are doing the MEng then if you don't achieve over 50 in your first year exams then in your second year exams you have to achieve over 60, to stay on the 4yr course. The maths exam this year was crazy, they examined you on content that was not even taught!!!! I could tell you more but its not worth it, they just don't care and basically they have to find a way to get rid of approximately 100 students from the year group so that they don't have as many students studying Masters. Durham sounds good in the league tables but there are engineering departments in other universities which actually care about their students and want to do the best for them. I have never been offered help to find summer work, internships etc, you never go on visits to industrial sites except once at the end of your 1st year. The majority of the time all you have is lectures and very little practical lab work. My academic adviser was never in the university, so you had nobody to talk to about worries or concerns.
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Forgot to say that we had a talk about the Beng and Meng courses and were told that if we did not achieve the 60 mark then we were not to come crying and begging to them to let us stay on the Meng course. They would not consider anybody staying no matter how much they had improved from yr 1 to yr 2.
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As a Durham graduate I would sum up my experience as not pleasant, emotionally or academically. The science and engineering departments are well known for subjecting their students to courses that are rigorous but I can tell you that they are not engaging, they make you hate your subject, constant stress, unhelpful academics, emotional torment and the feeling of banging your head against a brick wall (trying to beat the system doesn't work in Durham). The passion you have for your subject at the start of freshers quickly disappears and by the end of the first year you constantly question why did I pick to study here! Do not let the league tables and the apparent Durham name trick you! During my degree Durham, it did its best to constantly put me down academically and a lot of my friends decided to give up and basically what was the point of trying. Lecturers did not want to help you and we were constantly told that we were not good enough. Before my final exam a lecturer told us in the revision session not to bother trying to answer his question as not one of us will get above 50% in it and from the people who did that question they barely passed it. What is the point of learning and engaging with a course if the lecturers and institute are just there to play a numbers game? Another lecturer liked to point out that all of our grades were also scaled so it was a bell curve so don't be fooled. If I had my time again I would careful think about other peoples experiences of Durham before making a decision. So sum up, Durham engineering department is a constant battle, an emotional battlefield and an academic demotivating environment.
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As a Durham graduate I would sum up my experience as not pleasant, emotionally or academically. The science and engineering departments are well known for subjecting their students to courses that are rigorous but I can tell you that they are not engaging, they make you hate your subject, constant stress, unhelpful academics, emotional torment and the feeling of banging your head against a brick wall (trying to beat the system doesn't work in Durham). The passion you have for your subject at the start of freshers quickly disappears and by the end of the first year you constantly question why did I pick to study here! Do not let the league tables and the apparent Durham name trick you! During my degree Durham, it did its best to constantly put me down academically and a lot of my friends decided to give up and basically what was the point of trying. Lecturers did not want to help you and we were constantly told that we were not good enough. Before my final exam a lecturer told us in the revision session not to bother trying to answer his question as not one of us will get above 50% in it and from the people who did that question they barely passed it. What is the point of learning and engaging with a course if the lecturers and institute are just there to play a numbers game? Another lecturer liked to point out that all of our grades were also scaled so it was a bell curve so don't be fooled. If I had my time again I would careful think about other peoples experiences of Durham before making a decision. So sum up, Durham engineering department is a constant battle, an emotional battlefield and an academic demotivating environment.
I seriously could not disagree more. As a current Engineer here I found the staff extremely helpful, the course constantly challenging and engaging and the lecturers always open to help. Yes there are one or two that aren`t perfect but that`s normal. Have you ever tried getting in touch with the Durham Careers service? They are incredible- they help so much with placement for Engineering and the wider Uni. Also to get above 50% is easy. That`s a low 2.2 , if you`re getting below 50% then you`re seriously doing something wrong. Keep up with the work, engage with problem classes and easily walk through with a 2.1. As for the comment above, needing to stay on til masters by getting a 2.1, have you looked at masters entry requirments? THE STANDARD ENTRY IS A 2.1. Therefore it makes sense that you must achieve a 2.1 to stay onto Masters. Honestly, either you two people have done zero work or just don`t like durham for other reasons. everyone on my course is really enjoying it , those complaining are those who just don`t engage eith the work at all. OP please take all comments here with a pinch of salt. Best thing to do is visit the department, talk to the students, realise its actually a great department, also the career prospects are class. The Durham name really takes you further and thats from stories of friends at Newcastle and other great engineering departments.
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so if you got 50% in the exam , it was scaled and you did not actually get 50%?
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