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Hey, my story is really not going to put any faith in you. But, despite my doctor writing a letter confirming that the previous information provided by a random doctor was incorrect, capita responded to my appeal saying due to my records already having the incorrect notes on they cannot remove them therefore they will not consider my appeal.

I have since tried to look into it further but they made no notes although they were meant to and instead just shut the case down so no one can look into it for me.

I had the worst luck and I hope this won't be the case for you.

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I'm really sorry to hear it's not working out for you. It's completely unfair. Thank you for sharing your story x
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[QUOTE=Joanne1995;72453028]
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Hi, I'm wondering if anyone who has appealed on here has heard any luck? I'm waiting for capita to sit in a couple days to discuss my records after being made TMU at my initial medical.Thanks

Hi there. Just to let you know my daughters medical proceedure took almost 5 months. After being put as TMU she was eventually put down as PMU and we had to go through the medical professionals i.e our family doctor and even paid to see a private consultant to help fight her case.

If you feel that you have a good case and you are keen on joining the military whichever one it is, you may need to go down this route as well.

All I would advise is, dont give up until you are told there is no more they can do, but hopefully, it will not come to this.

Good luck xx
Thank you and I'm really glad your daughter managed to get in!

I'm still waiting on the final verdict but am 100% going for appeal as I don't see how I am not medically fit (especially when there are many people in the forces much less fit than me!).

I would've hoped that the determination would be a factor that they would look at as a positive thing xx
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[QUOTE=edenrevelle;72454484][QUOTE=Joanne1995;72453028]

Thank you and I'm really glad your daughter managed to get in!

I'm still waiting on the final verdict but am 100% going for appeal as I don't see how I am not medically fit (especially when there are many people in the forces much less fit than me!).

I would've hoped that the determination would be a factor that they would look at as a positive thing xx

You are correct there with regards to the determination being a good factor. My daughter unfortunately was misdiagnosed and even though it cost us money for her to be assessed, it was money well spent. Her life from 16 up to her present age of almost 22 has been for her end goal of joining the forces and she is within reach of this now. There was never a 'b for backup' plan - this was her choice and to see where we have come over the last 16 months, every penny spent, every tear shed and all the frustrations have been worth it. Please feel free to email if you have any other concerns or questions and I will try to help.
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I recently just got turned down at the same stage. Due to a small back problem why was a muscle rare which has healed and is 10x stronger and not had a problem in ages and I’m waiting for a reply because I appealed on there decision.
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Hi, I'm wondering if anyone who has appealed on here has had any luck? I'm waiting for capita to sit in a couple days to discuss my records after being made TMU at my initial medical.Thanks
Hi do they ask for the medical notes before hand or after. Or do you just turn up and need to pass the assessment?
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Hi my son has just failed his medical with the RAF on the grounds he had 5 shoulder dislocation between the ages of 14-16, he had a shoulder stabilisation operation has had no further problems in 2 years....are there grounds to appeal... he was only joining as an intelligence analyst Hardly strenuous activity
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Hi my son has just failed his medical with the RAF on the grounds he had 5 shoulder dislocation between the ages of 14-16, he had a shoulder stabilisation operation has had no further problems in 2 years....are there grounds to appeal... he was only joining as an intelligence analyst Hardly strenuous activity
Appeals are really there to show medical records are incorrect and/or incomplete, and that there is further information available on how a person's condition could affect them. Unfortunately, this isn't the case with your son. 'Recurrent joint dislocations', even with an operation, is a bar to entry for the RAF; the health standards for joining are strict and something that a person can deal with petfectly well in normal life doesn't mean they are fit for the military.

Whichever RAF job someone applies for, there is a lot of strenuous activity during basic training.
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anyone have any issues with "Eczema" being a criteria to be failed?
I had it 15 years ago.. (literally 15 years ago) and they have classed me as UNFIT, and so far my written appeal (with doctors notes) has been unsuccessful.
What kinds of evidence would you suggest submitting, or things I can provide?
I'm tempted to actually attach them pictures of me on physical activities (Tough Mudder, marathons, parachuting, swimming etc)
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anyone have any issues with "Eczema" being a criteria to be failed?
I had it 15 years ago.. (literally 15 years ago) and they have classed me as UNFIT, and so far my written appeal (with doctors notes) has been unsuccessful.
What kinds of evidence would you suggest submitting, or things I can provide?
I'm tempted to actually attach them pictures of me on physical activities (Tough Mudder, marathons, parachuting, swimming etc)
You will have to be able to prove that it wasn't eczema but it was a one-off reaction to a specific substance. It's not about you doing civilian activities that last a few hours, it's about whether your skin will hold up during 6 months in the desert/arctic/jungle living in the most basic of sanitary circumstances, with tiny bag showers and basic soap, wearing the same approximately laundered-or-not clothes 24/7, being wet, sweaty, hot, cold, dirty, gritty, sandy etc etc. A few hours on Tough Mudder or a marathon in perfectly selected trainers and wick-away athletics kit and then home to a shower, fluffy towels, a change of freshly laundered clothes and central heating is not a relevant comparison.
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You will have to be able to prove that it wasn't eczema but it was a one-off reaction to a specific substance. It's not about you doing civilian activities that last a few hours, it's about whether your skin will hold up during 6 months in the desert/arctic/jungle living in the most basic of sanitary circumstances, with tiny bag showers and basic soap, wearing the same approximately laundered-or-not clothes 24/7, being wet, sweaty, hot, cold, dirty, gritty, sandy etc etc. A few hours on Tough Mudder or a marathon in perfectly selected trainers and wick-away athletics kit and then home to a shower, fluffy towels, a change of freshly laundered clothes and central heating is not a relevant comparison.
Not even that extreme. It could depend on what role what you are applying for, like coming into contact with greases and lubricants in a technical job, but it could be something as simple as how will you react to using oil to clean a weapon during training.
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Not even that extreme. It could depend on what role what you are applying for, like coming into contact with greases and lubricants in a technical job, but it could be something as simple as how will you react to using oil to clean a weapon during training.
Thanks both. it was Air Ops (air traffic control), so I wouldn't have thought "grease" and "lubricants" would even be a factor in that line of work anyway. Maybe I should highlight that in the appeal pack?
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Thanks both. it was Air Ops (air traffic control), so I wouldn't have thought "grease" and "lubricants" would even be a factor in that line of work anyway. Maybe I should highlight that in the appeal pack?
Warfighter first. If you react to the kinds of greases and lubricants that they use on weapons, then a- your basic training when you spend a lot of time handling weapons will be deeply uncomfortable, and b- they'll decide you're unsuitable.

But it's an if. No harm in finding out.
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well I've been in the Air Cadets and used the L98 a lot (and the No.8 rifle before that), so never had any issues with irritation before.
but that's another thing to mention if they're considering that as a fail factor. thanks
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The conditions that preclude entry to the RAF state “active” Eczema. I’d be surprised if you’ve been declared PMU if it was 15 years ago. I am not a recruitment doctor however and can’t make an accurate judgement through an Internet forum.

I assume this was Capita?
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The conditions that preclude entry to the RAF state “active” Eczema. I’d be surprised if you’ve been declared PMU if it was 15 years ago. I am not a recruitment doctor however and can’t make an accurate judgement through an Internet forum.

I assume this was Capita?
well capita failed me based on that, but then the initial appeal I sent to Cranwell last week was denied (I'm awaiting the letter so I can look at the details of how to progress, but even the AFCO say they'll support me.)
Just seems silly to pass the aptitude and the filter interview and then fail anyway
also sorry, I dont know what PMU means?
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well capita failed me based on that, but then the initial appeal I sent to Cranwell last week was denied (I'm awaiting the letter so I can look at the details of how to progress, but even the AFCO say they'll support me.)
Just seems silly to pass the aptitude and the filter interview and then fail anyway
also sorry, I dont know what PMU means?
Permanently medically unfit.
I assume there must be something more to it for the medical staff at OASC to deny your appeal. They are very good there - I don’t hold Capita in the same regard.
Are you applying for aircrew only?
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Not aircrew at all. I'm applying for Air Ops Control, which is just Air Traffic Control basically.
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Permanently medically unfit.
I assume there must be something more to it for the medical staff at OASC to deny your appeal. They are very good there - I don’t hold Capita in the same regard.
Are you applying for aircrew only?
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My son has just had his application rejected for the same reason. Where did you go for the tests? We have been to doctor who told us to keep a diary of his puff/blow results. And we asked him to write a report stating what his medical opinion was. The doctor didn't mention tests.
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My son has just had his application rejected for the same reason. Where did you go for the tests? We have been to doctor who told us to keep a diary of his puff/blow results. And we asked him to write a report stating what his medical opinion was. The doctor didn't mention tests.
If your son wants to appeal, he needs to address the reason(s) in his medical rejection letter by providing information that shows his medical records are incorrect or incomplete. If he needed tests on his condition to support his case, these would be carried out by his GP or a specialist. However, it sounds like you're already on this and your doctor has advised on a course of action.
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Just for a brief update, I have had my appeal upheld.
Once I had my medical and was deemed unfit due to historic eczema, I did an appeal to Cranwell who denied it citing the AP (which I cited to them in the appeal anyway)

I then sent a further letter asking for more detail and more clarity, where I also went to into greater detail as to when (if at all) my eczema was a factor that affected my life.

They seem to have taken more heed of my appeal the second time and reconsidered it (even though you technically cant have a second try) and have upheld the appeal.

maybe it's role specific or my appeal had enough evidence for them to reconsider it, but I was close to giving up and was thinking "what do I have to lose?"

I wouldn't suggest harassing them or anything, but if you honestly believe your appeal should be upheld and their reasoning is mistaken, maybe give it another try. It worked out for me, but I asked for "clarity" and that seemed to have worked out. They did also say they may be looking at adjusting the AP in regards to eczema being a PMU.

Hope that helps
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