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    (Original post by blissy)
    You can't have a policy that is unfeasible. They aren't a political party, they're a head-in-the-clouds, preying-on-the-disillusioned, unworkable, waste of a vote "party".
    Ah another Labour Party member!

    So, are you more Old Labour or New Labour (Blairite)?
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    (Original post by blissy)
    You can't have a policy that is unfeasible. They aren't a political party, they're a head-in-the-clouds, preying-on-the-disillusioned, unworkable, waste of a vote "party".
    Every political party has 'unfeasible' policies. They have their failings yes, their failings just happen to be less major than those of the other parties.
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    (Original post by blissy)
    You can't have a policy that is unfeasible.
    Why are those policies "unfeasible"?

    If anything they struck me as a little bland.
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    (Original post by llama boy)
    Why are those policies "unfeasible"?

    If anything they struck me as a little bland.

    No government could afford to impliment them (hence infeasible) - so, effectively, they [lib dems] are pointless and would be a major disappointment if they ever did get into power.

    They say anything to please the public - but as a workable government you simply have to disappoint people because you cannot spend money on everything without raising taxes (and disappointing people!)

    I just see them as a total farce and don't understand why other people my age don't see the problems with the party.

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    Errr, what government in the history of the well err universe has made good on ALL of their manifesto goals? It's simply a case of them outlining at this early stage, what areas the governement should be looking to invest in/reform.
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    (Original post by blissy)
    No government could afford to impliment them (hence infeasible) - so, effectively, they [lib dems] are pointless and would be a major disappointment if they ever did get into power.

    They say anything to please the public - but as a workable government you simply have to disappoint people because you cannot spend money on everything without raising taxes (and disappointing people!)
    Surely that rules out any serious change, ever?

    I just see them as a total farce and don't understand why other people my age don't see the problems with the party.
    LOL, that sounds exactly what I'd say about all mainstream political parties.
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    (Original post by blissy)
    http://www.labour.org.uk/100libdempledges


    I'm worried. Why are intelligent young people even considering voting for a party that has no real policies?

    Explain yourselves
    :rolleyes:
    Because they do have policies, actually.
    And they are the only party with any sort of morals, and credibility in their policies and party culture.
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    I expect quite a lot of people on the forum would like this policy of theirs...

    http://www.scraptuitionfees.com/
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    (Original post by alocin)
    I expect quite a lot of people on the forum would like this policy of theirs...

    http://www.scraptuitionfees.com/
    I don't know how they'd fund it.
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    (Original post by jammyd)
    I don't know how they'd fund it.

    Exactly! . Policies people will like, but they are effectively unworkable.
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    (Original post by blissy)
    No government could afford to impliment them (hence infeasible) - so, effectively, they [lib dems] are pointless and would be a major disappointment if they ever did get into power.

    They say anything to please the public - but as a workable government you simply have to disappoint people because you cannot spend money on everything without raising taxes (and disappointing people!)

    I just see them as a total farce and don't understand why other people my age don't see the problems with the party.

    Actually the Lib Dems would raise money by increasing direct tax by 1p in the pound.. thus will be able to pay for tuition fees and some care for old people. They would also increase the tax on the money people earn over £100,000 to 50% thus raising an extra £4.7bn. They're not a farce, they have a really strong ideological background and in fact Labour and Conservatives steal a lot of ideas from them, contrary they are not "wooly" - they have a strong ideology reaching back to the 17th century (and yes i know liberalism doesn't exactly equate to lib dems, but a lot of their ideas derive from it).
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    (Original post by fit)
    Actually the Lib Dems would raise money by increasing direct tax by 1p in the pound.. thus will be able to pay for tuition fees and some care for old people. They would also increase the tax on the money people earn over £100,000 to 50% thus raising an extra £4.7bn. They're not a farce, they have a really strong ideological background and in fact Labour and Conservatives steal a lot of ideas from them, contrary they are not "wooly" - they have a strong ideology reaching back to the 17th century (and yes i know liberalism doesn't exactly equate to lib dems, but a lot of their ideas derive from it).
    50% over 100 000 why not just be a government slave and pay for everyone elses health care and needs
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    50% over 100 000 why not just be a government slave and pay for everyone elses health care and needs
    sounds like a great idea; especially given the vast majority of that £100,000 will have come from exploiting the surplus value of wage slaves further down the system.
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    (Original post by blissy)
    Policies people will like, but they are effectively unworkable.
    What you do is tax the rich a fair amount extra; say the top 1% or whatever.

    That alone could afford all of the very moderate changes the Lib Dems propose. For the life of me I can't see how that is "unworkable", and it seems you concur, given you've failed to elaborate on that point despite posting it ad nauseum.

    Whatever; it is sure better than whoring yourself to a centre right party with absolutely no morals or sense of justice.

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    (Original post by llama boy)
    sounds like a great idea; especially given the vast majority of that £100,000 will have come from exploiting the surplus value of wage slaves further down the system.
    whatever you say your dirty communist, i mean llama boy
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    (Original post by MuniE)
    50% over 100 000 why not just be a government slave and pay for everyone elses health care and needs
    Can I just make it clear that it's only the amount over £100,000 that gets taxed....therefore if one was earning £120,000, they would get a 50% tax on the £20,000. At least the Lib Dems aren't sneaky and don't increase stealth tax which penalises the poor even more. A statistic for you: the average single mother receives £7 a day in tax, whereas the Duke of Westminster receives a daily payment from the tax payer of £1000. Contrary to popular belief it is infact the RICH aristocrats that get to benefit from taxpayers...less than 1% of the population own most of the land, yet pay next to no tax and receive lots of our money in 'subsidies'. Lib Dems would also alter the flawed council (property) tax system which takes a high percentage of tax from the lowest value properties, and sets a maximum limit for the rich!!
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    (Original post by fit)
    Actually the Lib Dems would raise money by increasing direct tax by 1p in the pound.. thus will be able to pay for tuition fees and some care for old people. They would also increase the tax on the money people earn over £100,000 to 50% thus raising an extra £4.7bn. They're not a farce, they have a really strong ideological background and in fact Labour and Conservatives steal a lot of ideas from them, contrary they are not "wooly" - they have a strong ideology reaching back to the 17th century (and yes i know liberalism doesn't exactly equate to lib dems, but a lot of their ideas derive from it).
    I'm going to give you a rep beause you defend them v. well...(slightly irked Blissy is against the Lib Dems knowing how i feel about them )
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    (Original post by waiting2smile)
    I'm going to give you a rep beause you defend them v. well...(slightly irked Blissy is against the Lib Dems knowing how i feel about them )
    Heheh, thanks!
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    Well, I have to say that being a bit of a crazy socialist i felt like my poor young heart was severly broken by 'labour' and, safe to say the lib dems of beauty have sewn it back up...ah... i really find it so hard to talk about politics without getting a bit emotional (damn labour... *tear falls out of eye slowy...*).

    The libs are, as fit has said, credible opposition with sensible, realsitic, just all round fab policies. and, when i have seen them at parliament they present a much more credible opposition to the government, as they actually think through thier policies instead of just being typical reactionaries (like, um, not naming names, but well, the tories).

    Also, i dont think that the name of 'liberal' is too innappropriate, whilst although they are lefty's these days and so do not promote a laissez-faire style of government their policies would allow more freedom to those who would not have experienced such luxuries under a conservative government (and, yes, i mean you 'labour' folk too here) - those who just simply would not have the opportunities, or 'freedom', to realise potential.

    Also, personally, having never experienced life without having huge debts and money problems, if ever i managed to earn £100,000+, i would feel only pleased to be able to be taxed 50% - i mean, when earning that much i would be comfortable, and if i could use my money to help others in a similar situation as me at the moment, by enabling them to get a better education etc, i would feel like my money had been well spent.
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    (Original post by blissy)
    £1 a month unwaged (i.e. student). At the Freshers' fair they were selling it for £1 for a year's subscription.
    What a rip off.
 
 
 

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