what would happen if people had a white or caucasian society at a university

Just to answer this before I go

The proposed controversy - That people think a 'black' society is ok, but a 'white' society is wrong, thus a double standard regarding racial pride.

The actual controversy/debate of this thread - That there is no real justification for a 'white' society, thus any opposition is justified. On the other hand, there is apt justification for a 'black' society.

Actually it is one in the same point. Namely that people would be perfectly happy to accept a "black" society, but NOT one that was white.

Whether that is because the think the latter is wrong, or because they think it meaningless, or too vague, or unjustified, or pointless... they STILL have a double standard in that the assess and treat the two differently.

Actually it is one in the same point. Namely that people would be perfectly happy to accept a "black" society, but NOT one that was white.

Whether that is because the think the latter is wrong, or because they think it meaningless, or too vague, or unjustified, or pointless... they STILL have a double standard in that the assess and treat the two differently.

It's not a double standard, as that implies contradiction in some way. If there is apporpriate justification for each side, then two different standards apply, but they don't contradict eachother.

Indeed. I have yet to see the justification.

Not to mention the fact that the thread has perhaps given us a number of doubel standards.

Namely that white culture is a "silly concept" while black culture is not

That White culture is meaningless while black culture is not.

That white culture if it does exist is somehow about conquest and opression, while black culture is about art


Not to mention the accusation that white people are inherently power mad... a racist post if ever I saw one, and yet, if I had said something similar about blacks, there would be far more outcry.


Double standards a plenty.

The word "white" is too vague in the same context as the word "black" when using them for society naming.

But you can't actually say why, without spinning things endlessly out of context?

You can if you are allowed to substitute Britian for white, and the whole of Africa, and the Caribbean for black, but not if you have to do a like for like comparisson?

Every point you have just made has been addressed time and time again in this thread, you just continue to refuse to accept any defenition other than your own, even though that has been patently exposed as unworkable.

How is it unworkable, when that is they way the words are used here?

By you, innacurately.



And when you hear people talk about "white" music?



There have been plenty used through out this thread.

No, by general society, innacurately.

It is tempting to consider what this book might have been like had more of the detail of Brooklyn's 1950s white gang culture, as revealed in that Times article, been used to reinforce this spare volume.

No, by you.



Well in general is a start, I've never once heard any person ever, let alone in general, use the phrase "black" music.

I've heard the genres rattled off a million times, and a few times heard people talk of music of black origin, but never once heard the phrase "black" music.

So you've heard white music heard more than I've heard the phrase "black" music used.



As innacurate as, so are not surprised they don't use the phrase "black" music much?

Yet you claim because you have not heard many people in general say "white" music that makes things different?



Seeing as the whole basis for your argument is what you say I think you have just invalidated your entire position.



Exactly.



And I KNOW what I hear too.

Do you have a point?

You seem to be arguing that if you hear something it's right, but if someone else hears something it is in someway wrong.



And up until two (or maybe three) years ago they had MoWo (which the BNP tried to ressurect)



And white gang culture



See?

So do you really have a point?

Answer = no

You think then, that the words "white" and "black" are used equally, in the same context as each other, in this society. From this point, i cannot go any further with the debate. Thats just what you think, and you won't be persuaded otherwise. And from that base, there can be nothing to add.MoWo's? Was that an established event in the same way that MOBOS are then?

Why were the MOBOS set up?

Because black artists felt award ceremonies were focusing to much on WHITE MUSIC

You see?

Even your examples prove you wrong.



I didn't resort to the BNP, I mentioned they tried to resurect the awards.

It was a note in passing, it wasn't relevent to me making a point.

I do wish you would read peoples posts.



Why are you even on this site if you don't bother to read what people say?

The MOWO was NOT a BNP award, so example one.

The reason for the foundation of the MOBOS, example two

"Such actions uphold hooks' assertion that ethnicity can be used to enliven experiences within mainstream white culture" example three

"It is tempting to consider what this book might have been like had more of the detail of Brooklyn's 1950s white gang culture, as revealed in that Times article, been used to reinforce this spare volume." example four

You have had four mainstream examples in the last few posts.

If you bothered to read what people wrote you would know that.

Pathetic and useless.

No, exactly what you asked for.



Read the posts you moron!



Show me once where I have used the BNP as an example?



You lose, so you run away.

You do this a lot.

Dear god. A MOBO awards ceremony is set up because the general awards in white britain, didn't cater to "black" music.

To have a 'whites' society would be exclusionist in nature. We LIVE in a white majority, daily life is the white society. Turn on the TV and you'll see white reporters reporting white, British news and entertainment in the majority of cases. .