Weapons Engineering Watch
That said the entire field seems to be fairly murky, I know of people that are involved in missile guidance for example with companies that may well be better known for more peaceful products. Perhaps physics would be a good field to enter if you have the mind to turning theory into practical application. Always remember ethics though, a literal minefield!
http://www.qinetiq.com (if you wanna work in Malvern)
http://www.roke.co.uk/ (if you wanna work by southampton)
not top-secret enough for you?
Also the other companies like BAE Systems etc.
OP, I've worked in weapons engineering, check your PMs a message on your way soon.
To the others questioning the integrity and morals of such a job, its a necessary evil. Weapons keep the peace rather than destroy it, people are more likely to back off if they find they are under threat. I never thought I was doing something immoral, the country that is getting bombed is to blame for putting itself in that position and missiles aren't built or launched with the intention of killing innocent people and its only with fine engineers that we can improve their accuracy and performance so we make sure that only the right people/targets are destroyed when it comes to it. I'm all for diplomacy, but when it doesn't work then bombing the **** of them is the only language they understand. The way I see is, I'm trying to protect my country by working for defence organisations, if militants can protect theirs by flying planes into buildings and doing suicide bombs and killing thousands then why can't I use my skills to protect ourselves? Funny how there are so many tree huggers who managed to protest outside the place I worked to stop missile manufacturing but none were to be seen protesting against Iran when they insist on building a nuclear weapon, the hypocricy makes me laugh.
I dont get it, why would you want to devote your life towards creating "stuffs" that have no other purpose than to kill you, me and other fellow beings.
The job is not as glamourous as it seems at first as the systems you are developing are extremely secretive so at the early stage of your career you won't be exposed to a lot of the exciting things. However, as you start rising up you will get more responsibility and your level of security clearance will rise and so you will be privy to a lot of top secret material, though sadly you need to keep it all to yourself.
As an engineer, it can be fun as you will be given the best tools, instruments and systems to play with and have a lot of job security with pay rising fast. There is a programme of constant training and so you keep learning new things and opportunity to travel over Europe as the major weapons systems these days are being developed in collaboration by the big EU states (UK, France, Italy, Spain and Germany mostly). There are excellent exit opportunities as I heard of people at my work place who went on to do an MBA and then were easily snapped up by investment banks and other financial institutions and getting paid very large sums of money. So you leave your career very open.
So my advise: go to the top unis for engineering, these are Cambridge, Imperial, Southampton, Nottingham, Loughborough, Bristol, Bath, Brunel and a few others. Do a course you like, and if you're finding it hard to decide, mechanical engineering is a no brainer because that will get you into any engineering job. Whilst at uni, you can apply for internship positions at the defence companies, a lot of them have structured internship/graduate programmes. MBDA, DSTL, BAe, Thales, Raytheon..the list is big. Its not particularly too difficult to break into, as its glamour would suggest, get a 2.1 or above and a good reference and some good practical experiences and you should be fine.
How did you come to the conclusion that the engineering involved in weapons is driven towards taking life only? A lot of the important technologies that have subsequently ended up benefiting humans have come from weapons engineering and war stimulus. Look at the gun, the next time you're in a hospital with a broken leg realise that the operation was only developed in response to the gun, and I might add, a LOT more people have benefited from surgical advances that those that have died at the end of a barrel of a gun. Please don't be so short sighted, you'll need to consider the wider picture, especially if you're to be successful in your engineering place at MIT.
No they don't. Again, weapons aren't launched with the intention of killing innocent people, the fact that they do is an unfortunate reality of using them but its precisely the reason the industry needs more people to impove such technologies. Shoudln't you be blaming those cowardice militants who hide themselves between women and children and use them as cover to operate their illegal and suicidal missions? They are the ones responsible for innocent deaths.
What's it got to do with loving your family?! Now you're just resorting to underhand tactics to force the OP off considering a career in the defence industry. Your opinons are your opinons, but its a rather unfair statement you make there. I love my family to bits, does that mean I can't have a career in the defence industry and vice versa? Certainly not!
Yes! Weapons can only kill! So you say there wudnt be any surgical advances without wars right? Dude, that's pretty lame. Surgical advances would have occured sooner or later, and all the current research going on to improve surgical measures are not any preparations for future wars, but rather to save the millions and millions of human lives that are lost each year to the deadly diseases that pose serious threat to human survival.
And abt your last para --> the point is, maybe you dont wanna kill innocents, and most engineers dont have that in mind as well, but still, whether done by politicians are other criminals, one day or another (be it after 5, 10 or even 75 years) it is imminent someone with evil intentions will get hold of your weapons, so that gives the wepaon creator a small part of the credit of those evil deeds even if he didnt intend to cause such acts.
Dont take my words hard, but you'll always have your reasons (as shown in the other para's and some more in your mind ) becuz you really enjoy making weapons, and I will have mine becuz it shudnt be there in an "ideal world" for human survival, but we may never reach this ideal world becuz "evil" (the temptation to do other's bad) is an indestructible phenomenon that creeps on human minds, so I'll rather stay as far away possible from creating/using these "killing machines". I respect your views, but I'll stick to mines, and its rather useless enforcing our views on each other like this, so lets stop it right here --> Full Stop
so lets stop it right here --> Full Stop
Yep, gonna have to agree to disagree.
Any wiff-waffle, book a room.
I'll second that, keep your comments to the point, direct and concise. It's good Engineering practice :P.
Any wiff-waffle, book a room.
I'm not an engineer anymore, and the subject of the thread was always going to draw a debate, which an engineer needs to be able to do anytime too, considering the long board meetings you'll be in to make decisions on product specifications.
Just to let you know BAE systems dont do weapons from what i understand (spent a month there). Key word being Systems they implement what other companies make. QQ might be worth a look at.
Just to let you know BAE systems dont do weapons