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OK, it dosent look like they will in the immediate future, but to me this seems like a sensible move in light of the escalating tensions in the middle east. What are your opinions?

From Wall Street Journal -
http://online.wsj.com/public/article...f_main_tff_top
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NATO should be reserved for countries of European origin. Israel is in the Middle East it is neither a stable nor responsible country, it flings out headlines such a "Nuclear Iran is a threat to the whole world" when Iran is only a threat to Israel. Very hot headed and Middle Eastern.
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I feel Israel has every right to join Nato - not that Nato really does much or is worth anything now.
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Why should it be based on geographic location? Surely geographic loction should not stop nations with similar international concerns from formaing a formal alliance.

If Israel were to join NATO then it would be worth something more than it is now. It is a mutuall defence treaty, this would help ensure that the threat from Iran is properly kept under control. Iran wouldn't dare attack Israel if this meant attacking NATO.
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(Original post by OakBeans)
NATO should be reserved for countries of European origin. Israel is in the Middle East.
Israel is as much of European origin as the US and Canada...
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Israel is as much of European origin as the US and Canada...
not really - the jews came to Europe and then left Europe but the US and Canadian people only left Europe so are still European.
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(Original post by Amon.)
not really - the jews came to Europe and then left Europe but the US and Canadian people only left Europe so are still European.
And the "European" people came from Africa if you go back far enough. A vast majority of the people who founded the latest incarnation of Israel had European ancestry going back a thousand years.
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And the "European" people came from Africa if you go back far enough.
in ONE theory.
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in ONE theory.
In the theory that almost all non-Nazi experts agree with and that has far and away the most convincing logic and the most empirical support.
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In the theory that almost all non-Nazi experts agree with and that has far and away the most convincing logic and the most empirical support.
:rofl:

you can't argue anything with out calling the other person:
a) Adolf
b) a neo-Nazi!


if we did come from Africa that would still be much much longer ago than jews came to Europe.
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(Original post by Bismarck)
Which would mean Canadians and Americans "came to Europe and then left Europe."
if the theory were true (its not):

Canadians and Americans came to Europe MILLIONS of years ago, did well in Europe, developed in Europe, created lots in Europe then went to do that somewhere else.

jews came to Europe few HUNDRED years ago, and then left.

The amount of time is totally different.
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There were no human beings millions of years ago, genius. Amazing that you can claim that a theory is wrong without even knowing it.
humans are 5 million years old.
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I don't see how all this has anything to do with membership in NATO
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humans are 5 million years old.
Closer to 200,000 years. Please get your nose out of your Nazi textbook and come back when you actually learn something.
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Closer to 200,000 years. Please get your nose out of your Nazi textbook and come back when you actually learn something.
More name calling?

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanor...faq/evolve.htm
http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0932663.html (yes I know it says Africa :rolleyes: )


cuth: sorry!
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The evolution started millions of years ago. There were several intermediate species, with human beings being the most recent. The comment from last post still applies.
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The evolution started millions of years ago. There were several intermediate species, with human beings being the most recent. The comment from last post still applies.
lets say your right (possibly on years, not on Africa):

Europeans have still been here a MUCH longer than jews.
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So one stops being an "immigrant" once his family lives somewhere for 100,000 years? Why not 1 year or 1 million years?
I already said why:

Canadians and Americans came to Europe thousands of years ago, did well in Europe, developed in Europe, created lots in Europe then went to do that somewhere else.

jews came to Europe few HUNDRED years ago, and then left.

The amount of time is totally different, the amount that each type of people did is totally different.
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Can we keep this debate focussed on the geo-politcal arguments. The race of the people living in Israel is totally irrelevent.

Israel is a western democracy in a key strategic location in the Middle East. Furthermore it has demonstrated a willingness to help us out in the past when it would have been politically damaging for us to do anything. I'm thinking of course, about the well timed bombing of the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq.
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(Original post by gideon2000uk)
Can we keep this debate focussed on the geo-politcal arguments. The race of the people living in Israel is totally irrelevent.

Israel is a western democracy in a key strategic location in the Middle East. Furthermore it has demonstrated a willingness to help us out in the past when it would have been politically damaging for us to do anything. I'm thinking of course, about the well timed bombing of the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq.
Their race or at least their location is relevant to quite a few Europeans. Do you honestly think there would even be a debate about this if Israel was in Europe?

Not that I actually see a point of Israel joining a crumbling alliance most of whose members don't have the military strength to invade Malta. If it joins, it will be a purely political move.
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