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My town is littered with bums, spongers, and trampies (more politically correctly known as hobos ). Recently a tramp cursed me when I refused his plea for change. The reason why I didn't give him change was because it has always been my conviction that my generous offerings would only contribute to the further deterioration of the subject, i.e. drugs and drink. Instead of lounging around and intimidating decent folk they should be "volunteered" by the government into making a proper contribution to society e.g. charity work, army front line. They are harming our countries precious image and only by cleansing our soceity of these scum will we be able to rectify our damaged reputation!
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I think they're probably more politically correctly known as vagrants.

So is your basic argument that because the government isn't doing anything (I say anything, they may be, I am just presuming) about homeless people, this is somehow the homeless people's fault? It's certainly an interesting argument.

And 'army front line'? My impression is that you'd rather they were just killed outright than helped in any way?

You certainly do have a lot of love within you.
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(Original post by Howie)
My town is littered with bums, spongers, and trampies (more politically correctly known as hobos ). Recently a tramp cursed me when I refused his plea for change. The reason why I didn't give him change was because it has always been my conviction that my generous offerings would only contribute to the further deterioration of the subject, i.e. drugs and drink. Instead of lounging around and intimidating decent folk they should be "volunteered" by the government into making a proper contribution to society e.g. charity work, army front line. They are harming our countries precious image and only by cleansing our soceity of these scum will we be able to rectify our damaged reputation!
Do you think someone with a drug and drink problem would be ideally suited to charity work or front line soldiering?

I'm not sure about you but I wouldn't want someone in that condition (many of whom also have serious mental health issues) next to me in the front line.
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Do you think someone with a drug and drink problem would be ideally suited to charity work or front line soldiering?

I'm not sure about you but I wouldn't want someone in that condition (many of whom also have serious mental health issues) next to me in the front line.
You could run them across a mine-field to clear the way:toofunny:
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I AM THE MOSQUITO LORD, LIVING ATOP TRAMP MOUNTAIN!!

Bow down to me, minions, or I shall come round, dragging my huge blood-filled sacks behind me, and my probosterous and...
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My town is littered with bums, spongers, and trampies (more politically correctly known as hobos ). Recently a tramp cursed me when I refused his plea for change.
:rofl:

you know how to get away with that? You ask if they have change before they can ask you.

(Original post by Howie)
My town is littered with bums, spongers, and trampies (more politically correctly known as hobos ). Recently a tramp cursed me when I refused his plea for change. The reason why I didn't give him change was because it has always been my conviction that my generous offerings would only contribute to the further deterioration of the subject, i.e. drugs and drink. Instead of lounging around and intimidating decent folk they should be "volunteered" by the government into making a proper contribution to society e.g. charity work, army front line. They are harming our countries precious image and only by cleansing our soceity of these scum will we be able to rectify our damaged reputation!
Or for cheap labour instead of immigrants?
Scientific experiments instead of animals?
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Scientific experiments instead of animals?

There's something very, very wrong with you.
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(Original post by Amon.)

Or for cheap labour instead of immigrants?
Scientific experiments instead of animals?
ah , nice to see you germans never change..
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Tramps? Sick of 'em, acting like the world owes them a living...
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If you want there to be less homseless people on the streets volunteer for organisations that help homeless people to get back on the streets via drug rehabilitation, social work, work initiatives etc. They do have a considerable effect, and will have more of an effect if you join in.
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Besides, you're a student, which means that you're a slightly more expensive-to-society tramp that just happens to have sponged enough to buy decent clothes.

And yes, I'm joking. But I hardly think a student is the best person to go around deciding on who contributes the most to society and who doesn't.
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Besides, you're a student, which means that you're a slightly more expensive-to-society tramp that just happens to have sponged enough to buy decent clothes.

And yes, I'm joking. But I hardly think a student is the best person to go around deciding on who contributes the most to society and who doesn't.
Yes, because students sponge off the state, paying top-up fees, paying for housing, don't they?
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Besides, you're a student, which means that you're a slightly more expensive-to-society tramp that just happens to have sponged enough to buy decent clothes.

And yes, I'm joking. But I hardly think a student is the best person to go around deciding on who contributes the most to society and who doesn't.
But we don't 'sponge' anything, we take out loans that we have to pay back...
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Heh. Do you have any idea how much the government subsidises our education? All the loans and tuition fees don't even begin to cover it.
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Yes, because students sponge off the state, paying top-up fees, paying for housing, don't they?
erm yes...
the top-up fees are nothing like enough to cover what you cost the university and ultimately the taxpayer. you pay a relatively small top up fee. the vast majority of the cost comes from your local authority- paid for by the taxpayer. for courses like medicine , over 5 years you would pay 15 grand in top-up fees. your cost to the university is about 250 grand.
is this not common knowledge?
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you beat me to it iago
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Not common enough, clearly.
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erm yes...
the top-up fees are nothing like enough to cover what you cost the university and ultimately the taxpayer. you pay a relatively small top up fee. the vast majority of the cost comes from your local authority- paid for by the taxpayer. for courses like medicine , over 5 years you would pay 15 grand in top-up fees. your cost to the university is about 250 grand.
is this not common knowledge?
No I didn't know that. I didn't know that, as a taxpayer, I was paying for my own student education.
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Well come on, you're hardly footing the total bill, are you? I'm assuming you're on one of the lower tax rungs, and don't work as many hours as your average non-student.
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I'm not accusing you or any of us of being sponges, which is a derogatory term. I'm merely pointing out that students take a lot from society, more overall than tramps do. Will they give it back later? Some, perhaps most. But that's not the issue...while we're students we're in no position to go around condemning people for 'sponging off of society'. Since beggars get most of their money from charity and not the government, and then on top of that they get a pittance anyway, it's hardly fair. I have a right to not have a home and beg for money...neither of those things are in themselves immoral or illegal. It's not your street, boyo. It's everyone's.
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