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    (Original post by bananaman)
    You do know that Edinburgh is just about world leader for things like artificial intelligence?
    You do realise I said that it is very reputable right?
    And saying "things like" is very vague. Artificial Intelligence in particular it is certainly known for, other components or sub sections of CS maybe not so well known for. So being a "world leader for things like" is a silly statement, it is either a world leader in a topic or it isn't. It is for AI, I haven't really heard of it for other CS related things. Although maybe other people have some examples?
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    (Original post by BossLady)
    Although maybe other people have some examples?
    Computational Neurology (sp?) and Systems Architecture are some of the more prominent areas that they have on the go...

    (Original post by jiefei_ma)
    students from USA dont need to pay that much money and they are not classified to be international students! so "LSE wants $$$$ or ££££ from international students" is false.
    also, "it is easier to get into the LSE if you're an international student" is not true in first order logic(it may be, but in modal logic) as it cannot be proved by yet known evidences.

    ps. you like logic stuffs, dont you?
    It is easier to get in if you're an international student. LSE are deliberately trying to recruit more international students. They admit this. I'm not sure if it gets them more money, but it definitely gives them a lot more independence from the government. It was in the economist a few months ago.
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    (Original post by Harry Potter)
    It is easier to get in if you're an international student. LSE are deliberately trying to recruit more international students. They admit this. I'm not sure if it gets them more money, but it definitely gives them a lot more independence from the government. It was in the economist a few months ago.
    Argh, that's annoying, why are they an english university then...
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    (Original post by BossLady)
    http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/fin...ateApplicants/

    Seems to indicate that only people from the EU and UK are classed as home students. Everyone else is overseas, don't see how the USA could not be classed as internat? Unless international status is different from overseas status? I thought they were interchangeable.

    I would love to have some figures of how many international students are successful in their applications to LSE, compared to home students applying there (maybe PQ knows where i could find em...she knows everything stats related!!) . And there is other indirect evidence to support the notion that they do accept international students more easily for example having a large international student body...70% somebody quoted. Or maybe that just shows international people are reaaaaally clever lol.

    And in answer to your 'ps'..yes, i like logical problems
    It is false to assume that because one school has a higher percentage of international students that international acceptance rates are higher.

    Three things about the LSE:
    1) It has high brand awareness internationally. I am guessing that if one was to survey the educated populace of each nation the LSE would be much more recognized than almost all other UK schools - I would even bet almost no one has heard of Imperial outside of the UK.

    2) The LSE is known for economics and management, which in the US at least, tends to be much more expensive programs relative to the arts and sciences (at least at the MBA level). This could mean that the relative cost of attending the LSE rather than a home institution is much lower than attending other UK schools.

    3) It is relatively less important (thought I would still argue it is important) in CS to have a large network. In Management it is crucial. The more diverse and international the student body the greater the network and hence the more value the degree is.


    But I bet the main reason for the high percentage of international students at the LSE is due to the high number of international applicants - other than Cambridge and Oxford few out side the UK have heard of any of the UK schools. Not that they aren’t good just not as well known.
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    (Original post by BossLady)
    And in answer to your 'ps'..yes, i like logical problems
    well, Imperial is good at Logic. and you will be required to do lots of stuffs with logic during your cs course. if you like logical problems, why dont you do MEng Computing in Artificial Intelligence? it is really fun and i am sure you are going to love it! e.g. you can write your own agent to play chess against humans
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    im at edinburgh, GO THERE, it's amazing - you'll have a great time. my m8 does computer science and is enjoying it there too.
    o and pollock halls is such a laugh - apply there instead of self catered flats if u can

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    (Original post by W.A.S Hewins)
    Few places in the UK can match Imperial for science and probably none for applied sciences, but Edinburgh is not far off. A Level entry offers are only a partial guide (ie LSE, despite hittingabout 29 points average for its acceptances, makes typical offers well below that). Edinburgh of course has a tremendous history of achievement, in most fields (which does matter)-and when assessing alternatives to Imperial that counts more than being popular with the writers of short-term league tables (a la Warwick, Notts etc)..

    Feminism: by hypocrites for hypocrites

    Mate, nodody gives a damn about this long term yada yada obsession, aside from you. Also, can you write a single post without drooling over the LSE-bet your g/f must be green with envy due to the relative lack of attention!

    People are not really that interested in when the department was founded and by whom, and when they are, it's only to a fairly limited extent (i.e. one consideration amongst so many others) and this explains why Kings Coll. London no longer attracts as many top non-Oxbridge students as many newer universities such as Warwick and York do. People wish to go to to university to have a good time there and then end up with good prospects later on. This is why they look at those 'short term indicators you constantly dismiss, i.e. very high a/v A level grades means that you'll be amongst intelligent people who have achieved highly, then there's location and the rest of it. Who taught there 60 years ago is realllllly not THAT important, unless of course they're still around!

    Now, if people are going to your so called 'Johnny newcomers' and then getting into the top graduate schools, the investement banks and law firms (and believe me, this happens and it's very easy to spot it)-seriously theyre not thaaaaaaaaaaaaat bothered about all this who founded what/when stuff you keeeep on going on about.
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    (Original post by BossLady)
    isn't that only required for people who don't have english as their first language? So for someone from say the USA it wouldn't really matter? Although then clearly that would generally feature for people from like asia etc. However it is still easier to get into the LSE if you're an international student....I hve heard stories of them giving international students easier offers on the basis that they are paying international fees (although they still get amazing marks, often much higher than the brits). Actually I think there is an american chap on here who got an offer which said something like 'this is conditional on your international status'!
    Here is the exact wording:

    "This offer is valid only on the basis of your having overseas fee status: it may be reassessed if your fee status changes. See also a letter sent by the Institution."

    That American chap that you are talking about is me. I do not think that I am the only person that got an offer with that phrasing. I'm pretty sure that other international students got the same thing.

    I just received the LSE's info pamphlets via mail. The pamphlet explained it in more detail and it seems like the main intention of the strong wording was to prevent international students from trying to cheat the system and not pay their correct fee status.

    Oh well, people can say whatever they want......all I know is that I will be very happy studying at the LSE
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    (Original post by ckwan16)
    Here is the exact wording:

    "This offer is valid only on the basis of your having overseas fee status: it may be reassessed if your fee status changes. See also a letter sent by the Institution."

    That American chap that you are talking about is me. I do not think that I am the only person that got an offer with that phrasing. I'm pretty sure that other international students got the same thing.

    I just received the LSE's info pamphlets via mail. The pamphlet explained it in more detail and it seems like the main intention of the strong wording was to prevent international students from trying to cheat the system and not pay their correct fee status.

    Oh well, people can say whatever they want......all I know is that I will be very happy studying at the LSE
    Good on you hope you will be very happy in LSE while me on the other hand have no idea where I'm going come on UCAS.
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    (Original post by jiefei_ma)
    well, Imperial is good at Logic. and you will be required to do lots of stuffs with logic during your cs course. if you like logical problems, why dont you do MEng Computing in Artificial Intelligence? it is really fun and i am sure you are going to love it! e.g. you can write your own agent to play chess against humans
    I am considering changing to the MEng Computing in Computational Management when/if I get there. I'm Attracted by all those financial firms in the city .

    Someone told me how some students were making chess engines there though, pretty strong ones, I wanna do that too! Come to think of it, there are loadsa things i want to do...lol
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    (Original post by ckwan16)
    Here is the exact wording:

    "This offer is valid only on the basis of your having overseas fee status: it may be reassessed if your fee status changes. See also a letter sent by the Institution."

    That American chap that you are talking about is me. I do not think that I am the only person that got an offer with that phrasing. I'm pretty sure that other international students got the same thing.

    I just received the LSE's info pamphlets via mail. The pamphlet explained it in more detail and it seems like the main intention of the strong wording was to prevent international students from trying to cheat the system and not pay their correct fee status.

    Oh well, people can say whatever they want......all I know is that I will be very happy studying at the LSE
    Yes it is you. And btw I wasn't slating ya, as I said in my last post, international people can often have higher grades/qualifications than Brits anyway.(obv i don't know about you in this case))
    Still there does seem to be a bias towards overseas students. Whether this applies to you or not...who cares....you have an offer, and I agree you will probably enjoy studying there alot. So basically, well done and have fun!
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    (Original post by CFAI)
    It is false to assume that because one school has a higher percentage of international students that international acceptance rates are higher.

    Hence I called it "indirect evidence". Had an acceptance equalled
    enrollment then it would be direct 'evidence'.


    (Original post by CFA)
    Three things about the LSE:
    1) It has high brand awareness internationally. I am guessing that if one was to survey the educated populace of each nation the LSE would be much more recognized than almost all other UK schools - I would even bet almost no one has heard of Imperial outside of the UK.
    Reason: I have said this before but I will repeat. LSE produce the types of people who go on to be quite vocal in their professions ie prime ministers/politicians/CEOs etc. That's because they teach mainly social sciences. Anyway the point is, these types of the people are much more in the media and public eye, across the globe as well as across the country here. This means the name LSE is more likely to be recognised because you will hear about people connected with it, so its name will get mentioned.
    Imperial in particular produces alot of scientist types(it is a science specialist ) although of course there are people from there who do many other things. Anyway in comparison, the public takes less interest in science (although with so much more technology they care more than before), so with them being less in the public eye, you're not going to hear much about the schools they're associated with either are you?!
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    (Original post by BossLady)
    Hence I called it "indirect evidence". Had an acceptance equalled
    enrollment then it would be direct 'evidence'.




    Reason: I have said this before but I will repeat. LSE produce the types of people who go on to be quite vocal in their professions ie prime ministers/politicians/CEOs etc. That's because they teach mainly social sciences. Anyway the point is, these types of the people are much more in the media and public eye, across the globe as well as across the country here. This means the name LSE is more likely to be recognised because you will hear about people connected with it, so its name will get mentioned.
    Imperial in particular produces alot of scientist types(it is a science specialist ) although of course there are people from there who do many other things. Anyway in comparison, the public takes less interest in science (although with so much more technology they care more than before), so with them being less in the public eye, you're not going to hear much about the schools they're associated with either are you?!

    haha then how do you explain MIT?
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    I heard of Edinburgh well before I heard of Imperial. People here in the USA seem to be more familiar w/ Ediburgh than Imperial, but this could be attested to that Edinburgh is friendlier for American Undergrads and the city of Edinburgh is well known. Before I began my college search, the only UK unis i was familiar with were Cambridge, Oxford, LSE, UCL, Edinburgh, and St. Andrews.
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    I don't think Edinburgh can be regraded as excellent as Imperial College, though Edin. is one of good unis in the UK. But it is just good, not excellent. And Edin. is in a way an outdated University.
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    (Original post by BossLady)
    Imperial in particular produces alot of scientist types(it is a science specialist ) although of course there are people from there who do many other things. Anyway in comparison, the public takes less interest in science (although with so much more technology they care more than before), so with them being less in the public eye, you're not going to hear much about the schools they're associated with either are you?!
    true!

    in my country(China), only those who are scientist or staffs and students from key science universities have heard of Imperial.

    most people in my country have heard of the names of oxbridge, but know nothing about them i.e. they dont know the university of oxford or cambridge is made up of 30+ colleges, and some people (er..my senior high school teachers) even believe that the university of Cambridge is located in London :eek: !! umm, ridiculous enough? no, most of them believe the uni. of Birmingham is better than Imperial or LSE, cos they havent heard of Imperial or LSE. a guy who is studying at Oxford Brookes can fool people(well, not all, of course) in China by stating that he is a member of the university of Oxford. lol
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    (Original post by J.S.)
    haha then how do you explain MIT?
    MIT is in the same situation in China as i wrote above. only two types of people heard of MIT: i. scientists; ii. those who watch movies a lots

    many of them just heard of the names, nothing but the names..
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    (Original post by jiefei_ma)
    MIT is in the same situation in China as i wrote above. only two types of people heard of MIT: i. scientists; ii. those who watch movies a lots

    many of them just heard of the names, nothing but the names..

    No, Imperial College is not in the same situation-not even close. Go ask people at Beijing University about MIT as compared with Imperial. Imperial is a fantastic institution, but it does get silly when people start rattling on about its global prestige over places like Edinburgh-they're not that far apart. I'm currently in Japan, a large proportion of the professors of Tokyo and Kyoto Universities are educated at MIT, it has a huge influence across the globe. People have even outside of academia heard of MIT, maybe not so much in China-but all over the world.
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    (Original post by J.S.)
    No, Imperial College is not in the same situation-not even close. Go ask people at Beijing University about MIT as compared with Imperial. Imperial is a fantastic institution, but it does get silly when people start rattling on about its global prestige over places like Edinburgh-they're not that far apart. I'm currently in Japan, a large proportion of the professors of Tokyo and Kyoto Universities are educated at MIT, it has a huge influence across the globe. People have even outside of academia heard of MIT, maybe not so much in China-but all over the world.
    hey, man, didnt you see this "only those who are scientist or staffs and students from key science universities have heard of Imperial."?

    well, even though 99% of chinese dont know MIT well, there are still 13 billions * 1% = 13E9 * 1E-2 = 1.3E8 = 130 million chinese know MIT very well

    ps: the statistics above is absolutely unprecise.
 
 
 
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