Brown University (US) versus Warwick (UK)

Mate, you're the one who's supposed to back up your case. Until you cannot, you'll have to let it be a personal opinion. I don't go around shouting statements and asking others to prove me wrong. YOU prove it RIGHT. That's how things work.

What's your point? Surely all that means is that when international reputation isn't taken into account, Brown ranks higher on that particular league table. When you add international reputation then, that should only further this position.

And yes, I know the league table isn't perfect, before you say again.

I reckon someone with an Oxbridge degree would have a much easier time getting a job in Britain than someone with a degree from an unheard-of German university, yes.

No, all you have the right to say is - maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, I just don't know because I have no evidence either. heeeheee.

Yet it's clearly not the case, or do all Germans just work in Germany?

You may be right

Ah, better.

You just answered your question.

Oh gosh, you're using the hugely-disputed Chinese rankings. And you're using rankings that don't discuss international rep. And then again you make another subjective statement without evidence.

Before this argument continues on, could I just ask why we're talking about German Universities?

Did anyone say all Germans work in Germany?

Before this argument continues on, could I just ask why we're talking about German Universities? Warwick isn't in Germany is it?

God knows. Some point LH is trying to make.

If this is so, what does international reputation mean other than something to impress people with at dinner parties?

Do you have a better idea? I'm using what's out there in the public domain; the sort of thing that affects reputation.

Unless you want me to carry out a survey of all the American students, what can you expect but a 'subjective' (in fact it isn't, it's empirical although based on a small sample) statement? In fact, I've spoken to lots of US students and not one had heard of it - that suggests to me it's not well-known. I don't really see how (bar world rankings, anecdotal evidence, and what American students here on TSR have said - all of which you rejected) you can be convinced.

Thank you. An American student doesn't know which country it's in!!!!! QED. (That's no criticism of you, aiman, I'm just pointing out how little-known Warwick is.)

You've just proved my point. Surely there's a lot more to employing people than having heard of the university they attended. We know Germany has a good education system so German graduates can compete with other graduates even though there is no well-known German university. The same can be said for UK universities without a strong international reputation.

If this is so, what does international reputation mean other than something to impress people with at dinner parties?