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Coolchick
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Hi, Does anyone know anything bout the poet John Cooper Clarke??
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[q1]> Hi, Does anyone know anything bout the poet John Cooper Clarke??[/q1]
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Does 'he swears a lot' count? Or do you want such enlightening facts as
date of birth, favourite colour, etc? I believe he still lives in
Manchester, so that might be a good place to start searching for him. Or
if you prefer the Web, try http://www.cyberspike.com/clarke/

Which, if any, GCSE covers the work of living poets?

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Neptune
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Seen some of his poems, not impressed..

Yes living poets are I thought offered by most if not all GCSE exam
boards, dreary Armitage, lesie Duffey, good old Seamus Heaney, frankly,
it would not be any advantage to have a poet who uses bad language for
the sake of it, get enough of that from spoilt kids waiting for a bus at
the local bus station.

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"Michael Saunby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[q1]> "coolchick" <[email protected]> wrote in message[/q1]
[q1]> news:[email protected]...[/q1]
[q2]> > Hi, Does anyone know anything bout the poet John Cooper Clarke??[/q2]
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[q1]> Does 'he swears a lot' count?[/q1]

Well, i need to read a poem in assembly...one of his should be
interesting!!

Or do you want such enlightening facts as date
[q1]> of birth, favourite colour, etc? I believe he still lives in[/q1]
[q1]> Manchester, so that might be a good place to start searching for him.[/q1]
[q1]> Or if you prefer the Web, try http://www.cyberspike.com/clarke/[/q1]

Ok thanks!

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[q1]> Which, if any, GCSE covers the work of living poets?[/q1]
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This yr we're only studing living poets!

Thanks Eva
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Coolchick
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Its not *all* swearing (alot is! ) e.g.

"HAIKU...

TO-CON-VEY ONE'S MOOD IN SEV-EN-TEEN SYLL-ABLE-S IS VE-RY DIF-FIC"

We're studing "I wanna Be Yours...

I wanna be your vacuum cleaner breathing in your dust I wanna be your
Ford Cortina I will never rust If you like your coffee hot let me be
your coffee pot You call the shots I wanna be yours......"

Thanks for the info

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Neptune
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As time goes by our well known living poets die off, Hughes has gone,
Heaney getting on, we are so desperate for decent poets these days that
non entities like Duffey and Armitage get shoved on to GCSE syllabuses
in an act of desperation. For me I have seen better poetry from kids
from schools in Africa
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"neptune" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[q1]> As time goes by our well known living poets die off, Hughes has gone,[/q1]
Heaney
[q1]> getting on, we are so desperate for decent poets these days that[/q1]
[q1]> non entities like Duffey and Armitage get shoved on to GCSE[/q1]
[q1]> syllabuses in an[/q1]
act
[q1]> of desperation. For me I have seen better poetry from kids from[/q1]
[q1]> schools[/q1]
in
[q1]> Africa[/q1]
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I'm afraid poets are not chosen for the gcse syllabus on the basis of
the quality of the writing, they're there for the politically correct
reasons of their gender or their ethnicity. The gcse anthology is the
only one I know of where the anthologist does not feel the need to
provide an introduction in order to explain the reasons for the
selection.

http://www.quisquis.freeserve.co.uk/gcse_english.htm

enjoy
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Neptune
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I think you are right about quality. Certainly in Duffey's case she is
the sample lesbian born in Scotland. Armitage isn't he from Yorkshire?
Ethnicity we need to think about that, English is an international
language so what's wrong with exposure to other writing even from the
USA. My God! Heaney is the only decent poet who writes in English
unfortunately he doesn't consider himself British!

I'll look at your site properly later. GCSE English should include more
from the traditional canon of poets, so what if they are dead they still
have something to communicate to us.

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"neptune" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[q1]> other writing even from the USA.[/q1]

Though perhaps mere entertainers such as Bob Dylan or Lou Reed would
disqualify themselves from the ranks of true poets on the grounds that
they are neither poor nor obscure; and if you want to be cynical,
because they occasionally have something to relevant to say.

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he's dreadful - i saw him at a live poetry day this week and he gabbles his poetry dead fast so that u can't tell what he says and he doesn't give any useful information regarding his poetry. however, i'm not doing his stuff for gcse so i'm happy! he's a punk/performance poet and he has a really strong accent, kinda cockney but not, if you know what i mean. oh yeah, he's been on gmtv and he's pretty famous for a poet and he does ray winston impressions (don't ask!!) and he's obsessed with dodgy clothes.
hope that helps!!
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can't agree about Heaney, he can't do last lines. Also he stumbles
dreadfully in language, remember the poem about the thatcher 'couchant'
on the roof - risible!!

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James
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A great poet - one of the few from our era that will be remembered. I =
teach from home and we will be studying Clarke this year in fact.
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Originally posted by Coolchick
Hi, Does anyone know anything bout the poet John Cooper Clarke??
he is a music man and he sings songs. he trys to write poems . one of his most 'famous works' is i wanna be yours. He rocks
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