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    Coming at it from the other direction, when have you ever seen a real video of torture or murder on TV? Yes there are lots of dramatisations but i'm pretty sure it's illegal to broadcast or host videos of real things like that.

    You could draw a parallel between child pornography and drugs offences by seeing it as an illegal product - it's illegal to make or distribute it, but also illegal (though perhaps less serious) to consume it.
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    (Original post by k_bourne)
    It's perfectly legal to watch other horrific crimes like murder, torture, assault, and robbery. So why is it illegal to watch this equally bad crime?

    It's very difficult to find people who will talk seriously about this subject, because people have a bad habit of speaking upon their instant reactions - "How horrific, people who like that stuff are disgusting and should be locked up!" - so I am hoping that at least a few people will be able to make some rational arguments (on either side) here: what are your views?

    I myself am of the opinion that it probably should be legal to watch, but I am curious as to the reasonable rationale behind those who think differently (which is most people, I know!), and I'd also like to know the actual reason for the law being like this.
    im fairly sure watching murder movies or snuff films is illegal.
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    Why you would ever genuinely want to watch it in the first place unless you are completely sick is beyond me...
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    I can't believe you guys are even entertaining the question.
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    (Original post by jreid1994)
    Because, child pornography is watched and performed by pedophiles. So that means you have to be a pedophile to want to watch it, and as its a child who haven't fully physically developed yet so sex is usually painful for them.

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    Unfortunately you are incorrect. The vast majority of "child pornography" is made by children, and watched by children. Since in many localities anyone depicted without clothes in 'sexual poses' under the age of 18 counts as child pornography, that means the vast majority of sexually active teenagers are committing offences when they 'sext' each other, or video themselves having sex. Which of course in this day and age when everyone has a smartphone, is extremely common.

    I have seen stats which suggest a huge amount of 'child pornography' in circulation actually amounts to this, and a large proportion of child pornography offences are committed by 'children' (age 14 to 18) looking at porn of teenagers their own age or making pornography with people their own age.

    Also you do not have to be a paedophile to be stimulated by child pornography. Studies have shown many adult men who did not meet the clinical definitions of a paedophile showed penile arousal when showed sexually provocative images of children.

    It is reportedly quite uncommon for real child pornography depicting young children to actually show sexual intercourse. In fact, it is quite rare for child sexual molesters to abuse children in this way, precisely for the reason you've mentioned. The clue is in the name, child molestation. The most common form of abuse is oral and 'touching'.

    Your answer to "why should it be illegal?" is that "paedophile watch it". However you do not provide a reasonable argument for why we should discriminate against paedophiles, you expect us to take it on face-value alone.
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    (Original post by k_bourne)
    It's perfectly legal to watch other horrific crimes like murder, torture, assault, and robbery. So why is it illegal to watch this equally bad crime?

    It's very difficult to find people who will talk seriously about this subject, because people have a bad habit of speaking upon their instant reactions - "How horrific, people who like that stuff are disgusting and should be locked up!" - so I am hoping that at least a few people will be able to make some rational arguments (on either side) here: what are your views?

    I myself am of the opinion that it probably should be legal to watch, but I am curious as to the reasonable rationale behind those who think differently (which is most people, I know!), and I'd also like to know the actual reason for the law being like this.
    Because what you're watching is real..?

    And by watching it you're creating a market which sustains this activity, by visiting the websites hosting this content, which lands you with part of the responsibility for perpetuating this horrific crime.

    Plus it highlights you as someone who gets off on this sort of thing, which makes you a potential child rapist yourself.
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    (Original post by silverbolt)
    im fairly sure watching murder movies or snuff films is illegal.
    I believe so.

    Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 c.4, Part 5 I believe covers this.
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    (Original post by Conciousness)
    Unfortunately you are incorrect. The vast majority of "child pornography" is made by children, and watched by children. Since in many localities anyone depicted without clothes in 'sexual poses' under the age of 18 counts as child pornography, that means the vast majority of sexually active teenagers are committing offences when they 'sext' each other, or video themselves having sex. Which of course in this day and age when everyone has a smartphone, is extremely common.

    I have seen stats which suggest a huge amount of 'child pornography' in circulation actually amounts to this, and a large proportion of child pornography offences are committed by 'children' (age 14 to 18) looking at porn of teenagers their own age or making pornography with people their own age.

    Also you do not have to be a paedophile to be stimulated by child pornography. Studies have shown many adult men who did not meet the clinical definitions of a paedophile showed penile arousal when showed sexually provocative images of children.

    It is reportedly quite uncommon for real child pornography depicting young children to actually show sexual intercourse. In fact, it is quite rare for child sexual molesters to abuse children in this way, precisely for the reason you've mentioned. The clue is in the name, child molestation. The most common form of abuse is oral and 'touching'.

    Your answer to "why should it be illegal?" is that "paedophile watch it". However you do not provide a reasonable argument for swhy we should discriminate against paedophile, you expect us to take it on face-value alone.
    Because the child cannot give consent, they're being raped. I can't believe you're idiotic enough to try and argue this case, unless you're playing devil's advocate.

    And I don't think this really allows leeway for children exposing themselves, there's still the possibility that they're being forced, and you shouldn't find it arousing in the first place.
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    (Original post by Marco1)
    Because it's the most despicable crime to take advantage of someone young and vulnerable and abuse them. I'm surprised you come up with such a provocative question really. If you were seriously into discussing the topic like you suggest you are, then I think you would have posed a more intelligent question. You say its perfectly legal to watch murder and torture - really? Are you talking real or as part of some television drama? You are vague about what you mean to say.

    Firstly, if its actual murder and torture you mean, then I am not sure it's legal. Secondly if it is, do two wrongs make a right? Of course not. The world is full of the evil that humans do so why argue for child porn to be legal just because you think other evil acts are legal? What you say makes little sense at all to me.
    http://www.popcenter.org/problems/child_pornography/2
    Also if it were legal it would only serve to increase the related abhorrent problems of human trafficking and child sex slaves/ prostitution.
    http://www.marieclaire.com/world-rep...aped-sex-slave
    http://www.love146.org/europe
    You are not answering the OP's question, but rather answering your own question. He was not questioning the morality of "taking advantage of someone young and vulnerable and abusing them" he was questioning the morality/legality of watching a video depicting child sexual activity in the privacy of your own home.

    If you believe watching something is as bad as actually carrying it out, you have to provide an argument for why you believe this to be the case.
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    Because it usually adds fuel—either directly or indirectly—to the production fire. That video has a source and that source will now by aware that somebody wants more material, which is likely to compel them to make more.
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    Because they're not 18 so they're under the age of consent. Plus, they're children so they've not physically or psychologically developed. It would be like watching rape.
    I'm gonna ask, why do you think it should be legal? I've never known anyone who thought that..


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    (Original post by Architecture-er)
    Because the child cannot give consent, they're being raped. I can't believe you're idiotic enough to try and argue this case, unless you're playing devil's advocate.
    But how is this relevant to whether it is moral to watch a video? :confused:

    Are you telling me that when two 15 year old boyfriend and girlfriend are having sex with each other, than they are "raping" each other? That does not logically follow.

    You keep telling me they cannot give consent, you've not explained why rationally this is universally the case. You may think my argument is 'idiotic' but as it stands, your argument has no basis and pales in comparison.

    (Original post by Architecture-er)
    And I don't think this really allows leeway for children exposing themselves, there's still the possibility that they're being forced, and you shouldn't find it arousing in the first place.
    Law/morality/cultural taboo does not dictate sexuality, rather hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. Biology dictates that the most ideal mate for reproduction is a young post-pubescent female. This makes complete evolutionary sense, and I've already explained that most ordinary adults have been shown in studies to be sexually aroused by images of children.

    When all this is put together, it actually suggests it would be quite odd if you weren't attracted to an attractive post-pubescent teenager.
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    It's illegal because watching it creates demand and the demand must be met. By watching it, you perpetuate it.

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    (Original post by Conciousness)
    But how is this relevant to whether it is moral to watch a video? :confused:

    Are you telling me that when two 15 year old boyfriend and girlfriend are having sex with each other, than they are "raping" each other? That does not logically follow.

    You keep telling me they cannot give consent, you've not explained why rationally this is universally the case. You may think my argument is 'idiotic' but as it stands, your argument has no basis and pales in comparison.
    Because there's a risk that, by watching child pornography, you're funding the continued activity of criminals if they're exploiting and forcing the children to do this. Even if the pornography is on a 'free' website, you're still funding its activity through ad exposure.


    Law/morality/cultural taboo does not dictate sexuality, rather hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. Biology dictates that the most ideal mate for reproduction is a young post-pubescent female. This makes complete evolutionary sense, and I've already explained that most ordinary adults have been shown in studies to be sexually aroused by images of children.

    When all this is put together, it actually suggests it would be quite odd if you weren't attracted to an attractive post-pubescent teenager.
    It doesn't matter, sure people can be aroused by images of children, but it doesn't mean they delight in viewing it. If given a choice, they would avoid it, in all likelihood.
    In a modern society where the prostitution of children is utterly wrong, we have to take all steps to make it a totally unprofitable venture, so that criminals move onto different sources of revenue.
    For example, if you purchase a rhino horn, then you're giving criminals incentive to continue poaching rhino, because there is an available market. If no-one bought it, no-one would supply it.

    The risk of funding child prostitution is far too great and horrific for anyone to justify watching child porn. And that's why it's illegal. A broad brush must be applied, else it'll be exploited.
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    (Original post by Knighted)
    Well 1 and this is the most important one...children aren't hot...they're just annoying.

    Anyway rationale argument.

    Psychologically children are much more prone to manipulation then when you are older. This is due to a child having it programmed into them that older people are the ones in the right so thus are much more easily swayed by pedophiles and such into performing sexual acts when they don't actually really know or understand fully whats going on and it can leave a psychological damaging effect on them due to repressing the memories into their subconscious which could severely affect their future development.
    Unfortunately in recently years the "memory repression" theory has been discredited. Psychologists now realise many of these 'repressed memories' show the same characteristics as subjects who claim to have experienced alien abductions. In other words, they are manufactured.

    Most 'repressed memories' which are recovered are complete fantasy when held up to the facts and highly influenced by the person attempting to "unlock" them (hypnotist, counsellor etc) and highly suggestible subjects.

    It has also been found that children under the age of 18 engaging in sexual activity is not universally harmful and unlikely to have negative effects unless it is accompanied with physical violence and/or actual coercion. A lot of trauma can be caused when the subject realises that their sexual relationship with their abuser is taboo and considered 'abuse' by society, and as a dirty, immoral thing. This tends to make them feel worthless and violated because their abuser has caused them to violate the culturally accepted norms of society.

    You are correct when you are saying victims of child sexual abuse do not "understand fully whats going on". Yes, many child abuse victims report "confusion", however this is a far cry from trauma.
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    (Original post by Architecture-er)
    Because what you're watching is real..?

    And by watching it you're creating a market which sustains this activity, by visiting the websites hosting this content, which lands you with part of the responsibility for perpetuating this horrific crime.

    Plus it highlights you as someone who gets off on this sort of thing, which makes you a potential child rapist yourself.
    Are you really saying people downloading files are 'creating a market'. Who are these companies selling adverts to child porn sites? The demand is certainly there, but the causation is less clear, with how downloading free child pornography covertly without trace in the secrecy and privacy of your own home gives monetary gain to those on the other side of the world filming themselves having sex with children seems flawed and far-fetched.

    I seriously doubt there are people out there risking their lives breaking the law making child porn for free specifically for the purpose of meeting the demand of anonymous paedos they will never meet, without getting anything in return. It's more reasonable to imagine that paedophiles make pornography to satisfy their own individual urges, and then since uploading to the internet poses little risk for them they do it regardless of any known demand or possible renumeration.
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    (Original post by Fuzzpig)
    It's illegal because watching it creates demand and the demand must be met. By watching it, you perpetuate it.

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    I keep hearing this argument, however how does 'watching' something create 'demand'?

    Lay out the causation for me. Economics 101, surely the supplier needs some sort of reason or motivation to specifically meet this demand?
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    I'm not sure that watching it per se is illegal. I'd like to see it demonstrated. Certainly saving it on your harddrive is illegal, and iirc other forms of possession, but I'd like someone to prove to me that streaming is included.
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    Because watching it creates demand for it, which leads to people going out and abusing children just so they can film it.

    Also it's illegal to be in a porn film until you're 18.

    As for watching real murder and torture, I'm pretty sure it's illegal, probably under the Obscene Publications Act or somesuch.
 
 
 
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