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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Contact wouldn't have even made Luis go over, let alone roll around holding his leg.. and laugh about it.

    I'm sorry if this isn't a kick then I don't know what is.



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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Tackle from behind not given = Chelsea goal.

    Luiz dive = Rafael red.

    Good times
    Unfortunately - perfect tackle by Ramires - got all of the ball.

    Rafael took a swipe at Luiz.

    Was a little surprised that it was a red though.
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    Luiz is a ****, but Rafael gave the ref no choice.

    Another **** performance. Nothing new, though.
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    I worry about next season. He needs some serious serious changes. It's hard to 'look at the bigger picture' when you keep losing to your rivals. These are the matches you live for, you want to win them so badly. We were absolutely dreadful today. I end this season feeling more frustrated that last year.

    First of all, I'd get rid of Welbeck. And we need to sign Lewandowski. That is absolutely number one. I have said before, I'd be tempted to sell Rooney if a big offer came in but, then you worry that too much is changing up top.

    In midfield, Giggs needs to retire. Ferguson is a romantic in that he keeps playing him, but you have to just say you're not good enough. He did nothing today. I'd sell Valencia as well, he has been incredibly bad this season. I'd probably keep Nani in that respect as he is the best of a bad bunch, but he certainly needs a winger. And Ashley Young...no point appearing in Lucozade fitness adverts mate, you are never fit yourself.

    Center midfield is absolutely vital for me. James Rodriguez...Kevin Strootman, somebody certainly needs to come in, there was absolutely no creativity today.

    It's worrying because you know Chelsea and City will spend mega money in the Summer. So the rhetoric I am hearing from the board about no major signings leaves me with deep deep doubts as to whether we can challenge next year. Needs at least 3, maybe 4 attacking players that are world class.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Contact wouldn't have even made Luis go over, let alone roll around holding his leg.. and laugh about it.



    Like the offside decision, indeed.
    Yeah offside decision where Hernandez scored; you were probably laughing your head of then, now your moaning and feeling hurt like a little kid
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    (Original post by Eboracum)
    First of all, I'd get rid of Welbeck. And we need to sign Lewandowski. That is absolutely number one. I have said before, I'd be tempted to sell Rooney if a big offer came in but, then you worry that too much is changing up top.
    How is buying another striker who wouldnt even fit into our first 11 'absolutely number one'?

    In midfield, Giggs needs to retire. Ferguson is a romantic in that he keeps playing him
    Guys been our best winger this season and produced assists etc than none of the others can. As long as he isn;t played in CM he is fine imo.
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    Number 1 is signing Carrick a partner.

    Number 2 is signing at least one winger.

    If we get those, it'll be a good summer.
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    (Original post by Eboracum)
    I worry about next season. He needs some serious serious changes. It's hard to 'look at the bigger picture' when you keep losing to your rivals. These are the matches you live for, you want to win them so badly. We were absolutely dreadful today. I end this season feeling more frustrated that last year.
    But do you really expect better? The title's won. The player's barely care - perhaps getting complacent and thinking they just grind out a draw or perhaps scrape a win. Changes were made, as I expected, and will continue to be made in the final two games. No Carrick, Rooney, De Gea, Ferdinand. Players who up until this point have shown little that would suggest they even deserve a chance in the team (Anderson, Valencia) playing...

    Win the title early and the remainder of the season is so often an anti-climax. I appreciate that areas of the squad need to be strengthened, and today was very disappointing, but I wouldn't read too much into it.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    How is buying another striker who wouldnt even fit into our first 11 'absolutely number one'?

    Guys been our best winger this season and produced assists etc than none of the others can. As long as he isn;t played in CM he is fine imo.
    I don't understand this. Lewandowski is currently far superior to Rooney in all aspects. So he'd undoubtedly be starting. RVP is 29 of course.

    Giggs was incredibly poor today. He was so far off the pace. Nani and Valencia are also poor. Chelsea have way better midfielders than us, so I question why they are so far behind in the league.
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    (Original post by chigyy)
    United fans seem to have a very short term memory.

    Just to remind you in October.

    Offside goal = won you the match.
    Torres should have been off for putting his studs into cleverley's chest in the first half.... you would have lost playing us with 10 men for 60 minutes. the decisions by the ref didn't benefit either side.


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    (Original post by Eboracum)
    I don't understand this. Lewandowski is currently far superior to Rooney in all aspects..

    He really isn't.
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    (Original post by chigyy)

    I'm sorry if this isn't a kick then I don't know what is.



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    (Original post by cleveradam)
    Just to remind you that the ref was right on all occasions this game.
    Aggressive intent = violent conduct which is a red card.
    Ramires clearly got the ball and barely touched Rooney let alone go through his legs. You pitiful loser.




    To be fair Luiz should have recieved his second yellow for the elbow on Rafael 5 seconds earlier. Using your body to protect the ball is fine, elbowing a player when you neither have the ball or are trying to get the ball isn't. If the ref calls that foul Rafael doesn't kick him either.
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    Its a pretty harsh red, he's just trying to stab the ball away, but silly from Rafael, Luiz is obviously going to make a meal of it.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    He really isn't.
    How is he not? Rooney has been such a disappointment this season.

    (Original post by River85)
    But do you really expect better? The title's won. The player's barely care - perhaps getting complacent and thinking they just grind out a draw or perhaps scrape a win. Changes were made, as I expected, and will continue to be made in the final two games. No Carrick, Rooney, De Gea, Ferdinand. Players who up until this point have shown little that would suggest they even deserve a chance in the team (Anderson, Valencia) playing...

    Win the title early and the remainder of the season is so often an anti-climax. I appreciate that areas of the squad need to be strengthened, and today was very disappointing, but I wouldn't read too much into it.
    It's just not what I expect from Manchester United. It was a chance to go out there and show them who is best. Losing almost back to back at home to our closest rivals is really really poor. I FULLY expect home wins against M City and Chelsea next season. I can't believe how hard Valencia has fallen considering how good he was last season.
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    (Original post by Eboracum)
    How is he not? Rooney has been such a disappointment this season.
    12 goals and 10 assists in 22 starts, playing behind the striker, what a disappointment.

    Rooney > Lewandowski.

    Rooney >>> Lewandowski in our teams formation/system.
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    No point in having a Rooney debate.

    Stats clearly mean all.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    12 goals and 10 assists in 22 starts, playing behind the striker, what a disappointment.

    Rooney > Lewandowski.

    Rooney >>> Lewandowski in our teams formation/system.
    By his high standards, he's been really poor. And he's not worth the 220k a week we are paying him. If a chance comes in to get Lewandowski, we should take it, and sell Rooney. Lewandowski would be great in our formation.
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    (Original post by Eboracum)
    If a chance comes in to get Lewandowski, we should take it, and sell Rooney. Lewandowski would be great in our formation.
    He really wouldn't. He is too similar to RvP to have them play 4-4-2, which is **** anyway, and nether of them are as good as Rooney behind the striker. You also have Kagawa, who can interchange with Rooney in the middle and elft really well, and neither RvP or Lewandowski would provide that versatility.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Rooney >>> Lewandowski in our teams formation/system.
    That is the key part. If you are talking about Rooney vs Lew, then you need to compare them in the positions we play. Lew doesn't play behind the striker so his stats mean next to nothing. Lew vs RVP perhaps.

    I'm interested in Lew if he's cheap. But a striker should not be on our list of needs. Someone to partner Carrick is number one and if that is all we achieve it will be a perfectly acceptable window.
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    (Original post by Eboracum)
    It's just not what I expect from Manchester United. It was a chance to go out there and show them who is best. Losing almost back to back at home to our closest rivals is really really poor. I FULLY expect home wins against M City and Chelsea next season. I can't believe how hard Valencia has fallen considering how good he was last season.
    Perhaps you have the wrong expectations then? It's very hard for a side that's been through a gruelling season, has already won the title, and has nothing left to play for, to perform well. As I've mentioned before, take a look at the final few games of 2000-2001. Combine this with the changes that took place, and you have that sort of a game. A boring game that ultimately could have gone either way.

    Perhaps this shouldn't be the case. There is always pride to play for after all. But it invariably is. The players just want to lift the trophy and have a break. I'm not sure how bothered they are about setting record points totals.

    Yes, the team needs strengthened, especially in midfield, but a couple of home defeats (to rival teams who, quite simply, both wanted and needed it more) does not mean that wholesale changes are needed to what is a title-winning side.

    Moreoever, Giggs was one of the few players to display some real quality in that game. There's nothing wrong with him having at least one more season, providing we don't rely on him to start many games in CM.
 
 
 
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