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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Kagawa hasn't done anything to show he is better there than Rooney, there is a reason he hasn't played a massive amount, Rooney has been better.
    Then you could say sell Rooney and then get Bale.
    We got enough strikers and we got and AM in Kagawa. Sell Rooney and use the money to buy a player in a different position-maybe LW in Bale?

    On another note, Moyes's playing style is not as entertaining to watch. That might be an issue.
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    Just imagine Bayern now. I think they would have the strongest team for about 20 years of any club that period!!
    I did not think you could improve that Bayern team anymore, but the addition of Gotze and maybe Rooney will be unbelievable and also Guardiola as their manager. No one is going to win champions league for 2+ years now (not to mention this year's final).

    Envy meter is sky high!

    But if Moyes uses more home grown, youth talents than any of the candidates mentioned. It is always more satisfying to see a true red come through the ranks and into the first team than buying someone else. It also has the advantage of not wanting to move anywhere else.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Kagawa hasn't done anything to show he is better there than Rooney, there is a reason he hasn't played a massive amount, Rooney has been better.
    Kagawa was injured for 2 months of the season. And you're probably one of the few who think Rooney's been better this season. You could count his good games on one hand. He's been distinctly average. The West Ham game was pretty clear evidence that Kagawa had leapfrogged Rooney in the pecking order. He's a much better player in that role.
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    (Original post by diggy)
    So what rvp isn't an angel much like giggs isn't an angel but nobody talks about that

    I'm bored of rooneys BS if he wants to go let him, no player is bigger than the club

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    Thats twice in 3 years urgh if he is that desperate, then he should leave. No one is bigger than the club and theres no point keeping an unhappy player at Utd or any club for that matter
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    (Original post by The Rusty Spork)
    You honestly think the Glazers would authorise a near £200,000,000 splurge on three players in one summer with their wages hitting about £800,000 a week combined :lolwut:

    Do you actually realise how ridiculous your post is?

    On a more serious point, Falcao and RVP are too similar and RVP offers more outside the box, so what would be the point in buying him, except to buy the current fancy name in world football.


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    Soz I meant one of those players not all 3. lol
    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    What's the point in selling Rooney and then buying an actual striker who wouldn't even fit in the team anyway? People seem to forget what type of player Rooney is and what formation we play, Falcao and co would come in and do sweet **** all for our first 11
    Thats what a lot of fans said about RVP, but definitely Bale/Ronaldo would be the preferred choice.


    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Kagawa hasn't done anything to show he is better there than Rooney, there is a reason he hasn't played a massive amount, Rooney has been better.
    Yeah but Kagawa has not really had a chance there most season because of Rooney, he is never being able to flourish in that role. Rooney for me is best in that SS role but we don't play with a SS in most important games, and his passing has been so off at points this season its frustrating. Rooney for me has shown how **** his attitude is, because he is no longer guaranteed a spot in the first 11 instead of fighting for a place he wants to leave, just so disappointed in him because when RVP/Kagawa came in I thought this day might happen, but more likely thought Rooney would fight for his place.
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    (Original post by Sir Phillip Jones)
    Kagawa was injured for 2 months of the season. And you're probably one of the few who think Rooney's been better this season. You could count his good games on one hand. He's been distinctly average. The West Ham game was pretty clear evidence that Kagawa had leapfrogged Rooney in the pecking order. He's a much better player in that role.
    No point in arguing about Rooney with Tommy. Rooney's stats are better. It's all that matters.

    Rooney can go **** himself. Second time in three years.
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    (Original post by Sir Phillip Jones)
    Kagawa was injured for 2 months of the season. And you're probably one of the few who think Rooney's been better this season. You could count his good games on one hand. He's been distinctly average. The West Ham game was pretty clear evidence that Kagawa had leapfrogged Rooney in the pecking order. He's a much better player in that role.
    Are.. are you kidding? Rooney has just simply been better than Kagawa this season, thats basically just a fact.

    I really am not one of the few who think he has been better than Kagawa, i really am not.

    Amazed how Kagawa has been injured, he has played less games, he has played less good games, and yet somehow he has still done better :laugh:


    (Original post by rohitbd)
    Yeah but Kagawa has not really had a chance there most season because of Rooney, he is never being able to flourish in that role. Rooney for me is best in that SS role but we don't play with a SS in most important games, and his passing has been so off at points this season its frustrating. Rooney for me has shown how **** his attitude is, because he is no longer guaranteed a spot in the first 11 instead of fighting for a place he wants to leave, just so disappointed in him because when RVP/Kagawa came in I thought this day might happen, but more likely thought Rooney would fight for his place.
    I would say playing on the right, left, middle, in CM is him fighting for his place is it not? What would other forwards do? Would they play CM knowing its not their position and they would get so much focus on them if they play poorly? would other forwards even allow RvP to play the ST role so much for the benefit of the team?

    When RvP went anonymous for games in a row did you think the same? Oh no, because thats RvP. RvP was completely **** for a while but he made one good touch like a flick on and suddenly it's worth it to play him, when Rooney is keeping the goals coming in and his passing is off for half a 45 minute half suddenly he doesn't care, the double standards is stupid.

    At the end of the day, he has fought for his place in this team for years. A less versatile player would have ****ed off years ago when they had the chance, before they had to work behind Berbatov, behind Welbeck, behind Rvp, behind Hernandez, alongside Ronaldo + Tevez, behinv RvN etc etc etc etc.

    How many world class players get shunted to other positions to accommodate other, mostly lower quality players? Not many, not many at all.
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    (Original post by NathanW18)
    No point in arguing about Rooney with Tommy. Rooney's stats are better. It's all that matters.

    Rooney can go **** himself. Second time in three years.
    :laugh: Oh shut up you fool, embarrassing yourself. Anyone who actually understands football knows how important Rooney is to this team, and can see how very clearly he has done better than Kagawa in that role this season.
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    IF United agree to let Rooney leave, how much do you think they'd be willing to let him leave for. He's definitely not the player he was a few seasons back, but something around the £30 million mark?
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    Anyone that actually watches the team play can see that Rooney has had a poor season. He doesn't look arsed and then hands in a transfer request. He can **** off.

    Also, thank you for the neg, Tommy!
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    :laugh: Oh shut up you fool, embarrassing yourself. Anyone who actually understands football knows how important Rooney is to this team, and can see how very clearly he has done better than Kagawa in that role this season.
    Not sure why you're so eager to defend Rooney when he's trying to force his way out for the 2nd time in 3 years...

    The majority of the games ive seen him in, he's been average at best and terrible in certain games. He's not a class CAM so either play him as a striker or sell up.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Not sure why you're so eager to defend Rooney when he's trying to force his way out for the 2nd time in 3 years...

    The majority of the games ive seen him in, he's been average at best and terrible in certain games. He's not a class CAM so either play him as a striker or sell up.
    A world class player thats forced to play out of position to accommodate the likes of Welbeck, forced to play CM etc.. and willingly does so.. is trying to leave to a place where he can play the position he wants?

    What an absolute **** he must be.

    Average at best? Oh dear.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    :laugh: Oh shut up you fool, embarrassing yourself. Anyone who actually understands football knows how important Rooney is to this team, and can see how very clearly he has done better than Kagawa in that role this season.
    I have no idea why you talk to people like this on here. Anyone disagrees with you and insetad of putting your point across like everyone else, you just type a load of abuse.

    If anyone is embarrassing themselves, it's you.
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    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    I have no idea why you talk to people like this on here. Anyone disagrees with you and insetad of putting your point across like everyone else, you just type a load of abuse.

    If anyone is embarrassing themselves, it's you.
    "No point in arguing about Rooney with Tommy. Rooney's stats are better. It's all that matters."

    Yep, look at that incredibly valid and well thought out argument against me, i'm such an ass for responding to that incredibly well substantiated point with no actual discussion :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    A world class player thats forced to play out of position to accommodate the likes of Welbeck, forced to play CM etc.. and willingly does so.. is trying to leave to a place where he can play the position he wants?

    What an absolute **** he must be.

    Average at best? Oh dear.
    Rooney tried to force a move(probably to City) 2 years ago when he was your main striker. Or are Utd fans still pretending that that didnt happen?


    He's average as a CAM. His reputation as a top player is that of a striker. By your logic Rooney can play Center Back or anywhere else on the pitch and we still have to judge him as if he was playing as a striker.
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    I made plenty of points the last time we discussed this.

    All you did was bring back some stats, with no actual source and then personally insulted me. I have noticed that whenever anybody disagrees with you, you insult them, rather than actually coming back with a reasonable argument.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    He's average as a CAM. His reputation as a top player is that of a striker. By your logic Rooney can play Center Back or anywhere else on the pitch and we still have to judge him as if he was playing as a striker.
    Is that why he was the second best offensive player in the league last season despite playing behind the striker?

    And thats not by my logic at all, best not to put words in my mouth.
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    (Original post by NathanW18)
    All you did was bring back some stats,
    Is this before or after the talk about his versatility, his ability all over the pitch, his goalscoring + chance created ability, his obviously bigger work rate than others etc etc?

    Nah, just stats right ;

    You're points were crap last time you actually tried to discuss them and since then the only things you've done is circlejerked about how 'tommy only cares about stats'. My favourite was when you said RvP has looked more dangerous than Rooney, and used thats as a reason Rooney isn't doing well, pretty hilarious if you ask me.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Is that why he was the second best offensive player in the league last season despite playing behind the striker?

    And thats not by my logic at all, best not to put words in my mouth.
    You literally responded to the point that Rooney is much less effective as a CAM than as a striker by arguing that Rooney is class. You need to qualify that because it very much matters where on the pitch he plays. Up top there's no doubting he'll get 20+ goals a season but as a CAM he is not Utd quality.

    Bottom line, horses for courses.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    "No point in arguing about Rooney with Tommy. Rooney's stats are better. It's all that matters."

    Yep, look at that incredibly valid and well thought out argument against me, i'm such an ass for responding to that incredibly well substantiated point with no actual discussion :rolleyes:
    Not just that post, pretty much every post you make.

    Also you've not proven him wrong or given any real argument as to why Rooney's been better this season. You just said anyone who understands football will say he's better, that was it. Where was your thought out and valid argument?

    Kagawa has played less and yet has still had a game like the one vs Norwich where he was utter class for the whole game. Rooney hasn't had a game like that. I await your inevitable "because one game means he's been better for the whole season, your logic is incredibly stupid :rolleyes:" etc.

    To be honest your opinions are just like something out of RedCafe. I bet you post on there.
 
 
 
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