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    (Original post by Brainiac)
    Drogba had achieved almost nothing at the age 24 before moving to Chelsea, and look at how he turned out. Players develop at different rates, Bale has every chance of going on to be one of the best players in the world.
    He does and I think he will go on to be one of the best players in the world. Ronaldo isn't just one of the best players in the world though, he's a very special player and if it wasn't for Messi then we would be talking about him as one of the greatest of all time.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Well let's see, an inferior Ronaldo was sold for £80m 3 years ago. Fast forward to now, Ronaldo is now 10x better than he was then. Not to mention the bottomless pit of PSG and Monaco have to spend on him.

    Yes, logic says he'll go for £75m :yy:
    Well lets see.

    Ronaldo is 4 years older than when he joined them.

    Ronaldo has two years left on his contract. He had 3 years left when we sold him.

    Ronaldo would likely (if he came) be refusing to sign a contract meaning Madrid have two years before he goes for free.

    Ronaldo would be forcing himself out much more to an extent than he did with us, decreasing the price.

    Yes, logic says .. like everyone who has a clue what they tare talking about agree.. £70 - £80m is the likely range.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    He does and I think he will go on to be one of the best players in the world. Ronaldo isn't just one of the best players in the world though, he's a very special player and if it wasn't for Messi then we would be talking about him as one of the greatest of all time.
    Ronaldo is one of the greatest players of all time - he is probably more of a complete player than messi (although not as good overall), in terms of his strength and heading ability. I just think the purchase of Bale would make more sense financially- although I'm not sure he will leave spurs this summer.

    On another note, what do people think about buying Baines, personally I dont think its worth spending more than £15 million, he wont get the ball as much at utd (and therefore wont be as influential as he has been at everton), hes not particullarly young and he can be exposed defensively. Therefore i don't think he would be a massive improvement on evra. Personally I would prefer we went for someone like Luke shaw and gave more first team action to buttner/fabio if evra needs a rest.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    All of them?

    Its not like i'm just bashing out random stars here. We have proven links to all three.
    Yeah I know lol

    But I can't see Ronaldo coming (especially since Fergie left) and I refuse to get my hopes up about us signing an actual CM giving we've needed one for a good few years now!
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    (Original post by zKlown)
    I refuse to get my hopes up about us signing an actual CM giving we've needed one for a good few years now!
    This is probably the first year where we absolutely needed it, in all likelihood we will not have fletcher or anderson next season, as well as losing scholes. We only have Cleverley, carrick and giggs, it would be ridiculous if they didnt sign a new midfielder. I personally would love vidal but i cant see it happening.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Yeah, right. Thats the very logical price range for 28 year old Ronaldo that everyone agrees on. I assume you are naive enough to think it will be like £100m? Not a single logical or reliable pundit, reported, journalist etc thinks Ronaldo would cost much more than £80m, most think lower.
    Name me one.

    And who predicted that he was going to go to Madrid for £80m in the first place?


    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Well lets see.

    Ronaldo is 4 years older than when he joined them.

    Ronaldo has two years left on his contract. He had 3 years left when we sold him.

    Ronaldo would likely (if he came) be refusing to sign a contract meaning Madrid have two years before he goes for free.

    Ronaldo would be forcing himself out much more to an extent than he did with us, decreasing the price.

    Yes, logic says .. like everyone who has a clue what they tare talking about agree.. £70 - £80m is the likely range.
    RM paid £80m for 3 years service of an inferior player. Like I said, he is more superior now and he will, if he moves provide at least 3 years of superior services than he has for RM so how does that mean he will be cheaper?

    Contract length means nothing as long as he's got more than 1 year left and RM don't risk losing him on the Bosman next summer.

    Him forcing himself out of United did not in no way decrease his price :lolwut:

    Again, bottomless pit of Monaco and PSG who will just inflate his price means he will go for £100m+.
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    RM paid £80m for 3 years service of an inferior player.
    4 years

    Contract length means nothing as long as he's got more than 1 year left and RM don't risk losing him on the Bosman next summer.
    Contract means something in every single transfer ever.

    Him forcing himself out of United did not in no way decrease his price :lolwut:
    A player who forces themsleves out will decrease player valuation because the club has less say in what goes on , and suiters of the player know they want to leave badly. Its very simple logic.

    Again, bottomless pit of Monaco and PSG who will just inflate his price means he will go for £100m+.
    What x club will pay =/= what player can be bought for.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Well let's see, an inferior Ronaldo was sold for £80m 3 years ago. Fast forward to now, Ronaldo is now 10x better than he was then. Not to mention the bottomless pit of PSG and Monaco have to spend on him.

    Yes, logic says he'll go for £75m :yy:
    Assuming he does want to move which is the biggest flaw in any of this, I don't think Monaco stand a chance, they can't offer enough money to make up for a lack of CL football, not to mention the team is all over the shop atm. He'd be 30 by the time he plays a CL knockout again.

    PSG would be more likely to be an option, but even then I'm wondering how much PSG can spend. With the tax situation we have a bit of a wage advantage 45% compared to 75%. To get the same package as Zlatan, they would need to pay £47.5 a season in wages. Regardless of the bottomless pit of money, I'm guess the likes of Arsenal and Bayern will be pushing UEFA to do something about a club which would be losing the kind of money they are looking at. Wage bill was 177m euros before Ibra, Thiago Silva, Lavezzi, Verratti & Beckham according the swiss ramble. With the deals of Ibra, Silva and possibly Moura (not sure if includes that) being 47m a season, can they actually afford to add another 50m+ in wages alone before UEFA is pressured into saying enough is enough. The Swiss was predicting they would need to have a massive commercial boost to get close enough to make a case for sustainability, I would think this deal would make that impossible. I guess it depends how confident they are it won't be enforced properly.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Oh the hypocrisy



    4 years



    Contract means something in every single transfer ever. To deny how important this is is stupidity (though you dont seem to mind that)



    Derp. Learn to read. A player who forces themsleves out will decrease player valuation because the club has less say in what goes on , and suiters of the player know they want to leave badly. Its very simple logic.



    What x club will pay =/= what player can be bought for.

    Failed logic.

    Bad post overall tbh.
    Rest my case.

    Where are the "reliable pundit, reported, journalist etc thinks Ronaldo would cost much more than £80m, most think lower."..... still waiting :cookie:

    How did Ronaldo forcing himself out of United reduce his fee to £80m?? Not a single soul said RM under paid for him.
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    Assuming he does want to move which is the biggest flaw in any of this, I don't think Monaco stand a chance, they can't offer enough money to make up for a lack of CL football, not to mention the team is all over the shop atm. He'd be 30 by the time he plays a CL knockout again.

    PSG would be more likely to be an option, but even then I'm wondering how much PSG can spend. With the tax situation we have a bit of a wage advantage 45% compared to 75%. To get the same package as Zlatan, they would need to pay £47.5 a season in wages. Regardless of the bottomless pit of money, I'm guess the likes of Arsenal and Bayern will be pushing UEFA to do something about a club which would be losing the kind of money they are looking at. Wage bill was 177m euros before Ibra, Thiago Silva, Lavezzi, Verratti & Beckham according the swiss ramble. With the deals of Ibra, Silva and possibly (not sure if includes that) being 47m a season, can they actually afford to add another 50m+ in wages alone before UEFA is pressured into saying enough is enough. The Swiss was predicting they would need to have a massive commercial boost to get close enough to make a case for sustainability, I would think this deal would make that impossible. I guess it depends how confident they are it won't be enforced properly.
    Exactly. That is such a massive caveat and makes the whole debate is just really pointless tbh as there's no indication suggesting that he wants to leave- all this coming from a tweet saying he hasn't agreed a new contract, which for all we know is probably to force RM to give him something- maybe more support when it comes to player of the year or hire a manager more favourable to tactics he likes.

    With PSG, I feel they'll just take what hit comes along with having Ronaldo as the long term benefit will overwhelmengly out weight the short term punishment. And we are yet to see if FFP is going to be integrated- lets see what happens with Monaco.

    All in all, even if he does go to United, I really don't see how it can be seen as logical that he'll go for something in the £80m price range.
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    Money, money, money. If he wanted to come back, then that is the end of it. Perez can't keep a player who doesn't want to play. Utd have the backing of the Glazers and their sponsors, the revenue and hype from the Ronaldo signing would be intense.

    http://metro.co.uk/2010/04/15/cristi...-claim-242129/

    That's 80 million in a few years on shirts ALONE.

    It is financially viable to get him. We just need to see what he wants first.
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    As long as we bring in a midfielder, and keep Nani, I'll be happy. The Thiago and Strootman rumours have made my **** hard. Both very different, but either would do.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Rest my case.
    You rest your case by ignoring all the wrong points you made? Logic.

    Where are the "reliable pundit, reported, journalist etc thinks Ronaldo would cost much more than £80m, most think lower."..... still waiting :cookie:
    Neil Custis says atleast £65m

    Chris Weeler says £60m.

    Miguel Delaney says £50m to £70m

    Side Lowe said Madrid expect to get close to the £80m for him.

    Multiple places said £65m plus winger

    Multiple palces said £80m with Nike involved.

    And countless other reports and view about costs ranging from £60m to £80m.

    Now i'll await all your information on all the others who believe it would take so much more
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    United may still miss out on Strootman if they don't move fast

    http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/...ootman-enquiry
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    Nani running down the wing
    Valencia running down the wing
    Zahaa running down the wing
    Young ...... he don't even run down the wing

    What we signed no more wingers

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    It's good that Spain U-21 have got through to the final of U-21 Championship without conceding a goal. Must be a massive confidence boost for de Gea.
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    Let's hope they're out soon so thiago can say a thing or too
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    (Original post by Brainiac)
    Looking back at Ronaldos stats, i was suprised that he scored less in his last season than he did in is penultimate, can anyone remember why this was?

    In 2007-2008 he scored 42 goals in 49 appearances
    in 2008-2009 he scored 26 goals in 53 appearances

    Rooney scored the same amount of goals in both seasons but berbatov joined for the 2008-2009 season and scored 14 goals, maybe thats why.

    also just to note, bale scored 26 goals in 44 appearances this season. So statistically he was as good as Ronaldo was in 2008-2009 in a team where he had less chances created for him.
    Fitness issues early on...but mainly he wasn't enjoying his football as much. He wanted to go the summer before he did, but agreed (think SAF convinced him) to stay for a year. In fairness to him he still performed excellently for us and gave everything he could, but the Madrid move was basically agreed a year before it actually happened and there was just a little something missing from Ronaldo's game because of it. Was still a beneficial year for us and I think him as well though.
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    (Original post by Louis.)
    Fitness issues early on...but mainly he wasn't enjoying his football as much. He wanted to go the summer before he did, but agreed (think SAF convinced him) to stay for a year. In fairness to him he still performed excellently for us and gave everything he could, but the Madrid move was basically agreed a year before it actually happened and there was just a little something missing from Ronaldo's game because of it. Was still a beneficial year for us and I think him as well though.
    this^

    says a lot about how good a player he is that he did so well despite all that tbh, would love him back at the club, still dunno if it will happen though.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    You rest your case by ignoring all the wrong points you made? Logic.



    Neil Custis says atleast £65m

    Chris Weeler says £60m.

    Miguel Delaney says £50m to £70m

    Side Lowe said Madrid expect to get close to the £80m for him.

    Multiple places said £65m plus winger

    Multiple palces said £80m with Nike involved.

    And countless other reports and view about costs ranging from £60m to £80m.

    Now i'll await all your information on all the others who believe it would take so much more
    So basically a bunch of journalist speculating with no quotes in their articles = Credible information.

    A broken clock is right twice a day.


    It is best if you learn to read English before replying next time. You clearly don't understand what was actually said.
    Educate me about how "Ronaldo would be forcing himself out much more to an extent than he did with us, decreasing the price." isn't indicating that a player forcing a move leads to a reduced price.
 
 
 
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