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    it will be decent if he hurris up and signs but nice chant
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    (Original post by ledleyking123)
    why aren't ssn or bbc breaking about thiago
    Because not even Man Utd have confirmed it. The likes of BBC only report it if the clubs involved in the transfer have officially said something.
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    (Original post by Brainiac)
    Regarding the formations, I'm not sure whether it matters if Kagawa is played in the centre or out wide, its more dependent on how much freedom he is given in the role. He looked good for Japan against Italy where he spent 55% of the time on the left wing and the rest of the time he was able to roam and was subsequently unmarked. Playing on the left wing only becomes an issue where we need him to stay wide to keep the width against certain opposition. Its in those games that he has appeared somewhat disappointing.
    Just curious but do you know if he's right footed or left footed? Because I've seen him use both feet.
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    (Original post by qasidb)
    Just curious but do you know if he's right footed or left footed? Because I've seen him use both feet.
    Hes very strong with both. I've not been able to figure that one out because I swear hes scored more with his left foot but seems to dribble more with his right. Could be "two-footed" :beard:
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    (Original post by qasidb)
    Just curious but do you know if he's right footed or left footed? Because I've seen him use both feet.
    i think hes right footed.

    What style do people think moyes will play and formation? He hasn't had the depth of squad to be tactically diverse- will be interesting to see. Although saying that, he did play with a back 3 a couple of times this season.
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    (Original post by Brainiac)
    Regarding the formations, I'm not sure whether it matters if Kagawa is played in the centre or out wide, its more dependent on how much freedom he is given in the role. He looked good for Japan against Italy where he spent 55% of the time on the left wing and the rest of the time he was able to roam and was subsequently unmarked. Playing on the left wing only becomes an issue where we need him to stay wide to keep the width against certain opposition. Its in those games that he has appeared somewhat disappointing.
    United's positions are fairly set compared to other teams though. At United, Valencia will play on the right wing and the other winger will play on the left, they won't really swap or go central. Without Valencia, the wings might switch a bit, but that's about it. Just as Rooney prefers to stay central, though how high up the pitch he and Van Persie are will switch around, but that's not really something Kagawa offers in that position, he's not a big striker like those two. Compare that to a team like Chelsea and I couldn't tell you where Hazard, Mata and Oscar really play, and Lampard and Torres are usually in the mix. That's more reminiscent of the 08 team, where Tevez, Ronaldo and Rooney could be found anywhere. Maybe Moyes will give him a free role, though I haven't watch Everton enough to comment on how he likes to line up, and of course these are different players
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    This is a weird transfer in the sense that barca haven't denied, utd haven't or thiago. Never seen that before
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    (Original post by xDave-)
    United's positions are fairly set compared to other teams though. At United, Valencia will play on the right wing and the other winger will play on the left, they won't really swap or go central. Without Valencia, the wings might switch a bit, but that's about it. Just as Rooney prefers to stay central, though how high up the pitch he and Van Persie are will switch around, but that's not really something Kagawa offers in that position, he's not a big striker like those two. Compare that to a team like Chelsea and I couldn't tell you where Hazard, Mata and Oscar really play, and Lampard and Torres are usually in the mix. That's more reminiscent of the 08 team, where Tevez, Ronaldo and Rooney could be found anywhere. Maybe Moyes will give him a free role, though I haven't watch Everton enough to comment on how he likes to line up, and of course these are different players
    But your arguing against what players we have, not 'how we play'.

    Mata, Hazard and Oscar aren't dictated by how Chelsea plays, Chelsea is dictated by those players and how they play. Chuck those three players at United and we would play like Chelsea. Put Valencia + Young on Chelseas wings and they'll play more like we do.
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    (Original post by xDave-)
    United's positions are fairly set compared to other teams though. At United, Valencia will play on the right wing and the other winger will play on the left, they won't really swap or go central. Without Valencia, the wings might switch a bit, but that's about it. Just as Rooney prefers to stay central, though how high up the pitch he and Van Persie are will switch around, but that's not really something Kagawa offers in that position, he's not a big striker like those two. Compare that to a team like Chelsea and I couldn't tell you where Hazard, Mata and Oscar really play, and Lampard and Torres are usually in the mix. That's more reminiscent of the 08 team, where Tevez, Ronaldo and Rooney could be found anywhere. Maybe Moyes will give him a free role, though I haven't watch Everton enough to comment on how he likes to line up, and of course these are different players
    Thats not neccessarily true, where i thought we looked really good this season was in the 2 away games against city and chelsea- where we played as you've suggested with two strict wingers. However at home against stoke we played with a 4-4-2 with a diamond in midfield, and in that game welbeck/rooney/rvp all alternated, i seem to remember rvp crossing for a rooney header. Against norwich kagawa and rooney interchanged a lot scoring 4 goals between them. Another performace i enjoyed was the 4-4-2 (diamond in midfield) away at newcastle where kagawa and cleverley were the left and right cm if that makes sense. thought we played really well that game with lots of inter changing of players.
    In summary we have the depth to choose the system and then fit the players to the system.
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    (Original post by ledleyking123)
    If arsenal are
    Willing to pay a lot I would get rid of Rooney. Where's he going to
    Play when we have thiago anyway.
    Thiago cannot replace Rooney yet, it's his first season so I would allow him time if he moves, should expect more from Kagawa this season as its his second season from another league lets hope he improves just like De Gea.
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    Nice article. 'Thiago Alcantara transfer to Man United: why he could be Moyes' Cantona moment'

    In a summer that started off with claims that Manchester United would move for Cesc Fabregas, supporters of the club could be forgiven for being disappointed that signing the former Arsenal man looks unlikely, and that their attention has now turned to his younger Barcelona team mate, Thiago Alcantara.

    Those supporters need not worry. Though the 22-year-old lacks the same pedigree as Fabregas at this stage of his career, ask any seasoned Spanish football observer if they believe that he possesses the same depth of talent as his Barcelona team mate and the answer is likely to be a resounding yes.

    Though there are obvious pitfalls in making comparisons across different eras in football, I'm prepared to stick out my neck on this occasion and say that if United can pull Thiago from Barcelona's grasp for the meagre €18m demanded by his buyout clause, the move has the potential to be a transfer scoop of Cantona-esque proportions for the Red Devils.

    I can hear the clicking sound of United fans ready to hit the back button, so let me qualify that assertion. A simple, like-for-like comparison between Thiago's career and that of Cantona's when he joined United in 1992 throws up a few similarities, as well as some obvious discrepancies. One clear example of the former can be found when we consider that the Frenchman, like Thiago, was a decorated youth international, winning the U21 European Football Championship in 1988 with France. Yet the two moves share more in common than meets the eye.

    By the time he arrived at United, a 26-year-old Cantona could lay claim to playing a part in three league title wins, with two for Marseille and one for Leeds respectively. That is a feat which Thiago cannot yet match. The Barcelona man, still only 22, has played in four league title-winning seasons with Barcelona, but in truth the first three of those saw little more than cameos at the end of the season for the youngster. Last season was a different story however, with the midfielder managing to wrack up 27 league appearances on the road to Barcelona's La Liga victory, an achievement made particularly impressive when considering the competition found in his position. Therein lies the key detail when examining Thiago's level in comparison to Cantona; were it not for Andres Iniesta, Xavi Hernandez and Cesc Fabregas, three of the finest players in the world in their position, there is no doubt that the young midfielder would have played a far more significant role for the Blaugrana. Some observers claim he already should have.

    For many, signing Fabregas in the first place was a needless move for Barcelona when they already had Thiago on their books. Eagle-eyed Barcelona supporters will point to the fact that, in the summer of 2011, the Blaugrana briefly bestowed upon Thiago the coveted number four shirt first made famous by Pep Guardiola at the club, an act that reflected how much faith the Catalans had in him at the time. Graciously, when the transfer that brought Fabregas from Arsenal to Barcelona was completed at the end of that same summer, Thiago freely relinquished the number to his new team mate, who had favoured it at the Emirates.

    Prior to that, the Brazilian's stunning displays in pre-season, off the back of a key role in Spain's U21 European Championship win, were undoubtedly befitting of the hallowed shirt he had donned at the time. His time as Barcelona's number four, albeit brief, was a reflection of what he could do should the club invest in him.

    Relinquishing that number four shirt was an act that, in hindsight, has taken on more symbolism than either Thiago or Barca could have imagined at the time. Since then, the midfielder has had to fight tooth and nail to establish himself ahead of the Blaugrana's big money signing in his position, and indeed, the 81 appearances in all competitions that he has managed since Cesc's arrival are a reflection of the irrepressible quality he has produced, and the major dilemma he has forced upon Barcelona as a result.

    For the club, there was a key choice to be made between the symbolic number four that had thrust himself into their plans by maturing far earlier than expected, or the manufactured number four returning from Arsenal on the wave of a huge transfer fee and the marketing power that comes with it. In the end, it seems Barcelona have opted for the latter.

    Thiago's father Mazinho is no fool, however. In that same fateful summer of 2011, with Fabregas looming on the horizon, the Brazilian World Cup winner could sense the problems faced by his son and carefully negotiated a way out of the club should his development stall. When the midfielder signed a new deal with Barcelona in June 2011, the club's official press release claimed that his buyout clause would be set at €90m, a significant fee that in itself reflects how much they rated him. In reality, Mazinho made sure that, should Thiago fail to play a minimum of 60% of Barcelona's games, that same clause would drop to a meagre €18m, therefore presenting a far easier exit path for the midfielder. It was an incredible piece of foresight from Mazinho, and an embarrassment for Barcelona's President Sandro Rosell, who has now had to acknowledge the existence of the clause following pressure from the Catalan media.

    Were it not for that clause, some would argue that Thiago could be on the brink of falling into the same trap that many exceptional youngsters have been lured into before when contesting with the power politics found at big clubs. Instead, having produced an outstanding display at the U21 European Championship and proven to the world that his quality remains in tact, he now has the chance to move to a side where he can not only play regular football, but become the key player he is desperate to be. For Thiago, Old Trafford ticks all of the boxes: a huge club with a history of playing attacking football, and a clear role for him in the team.

    Which brings me back to Cantona. When United signed the Frenchman in 1992, he was exactly what they had been crying out for. An injection of quality on the ball, of vision, of the ability to do what no one else expected. It proved to be the signing that defined Alex Ferguson's early success at Old Trafford. In 2013, Thiago has the same potential to be that player for David Moyes.

    Like Cantona in his day, he is the player United are crying out for. Incredibly composed on the ball, technically faultless and hard working, his biggest asset is his panoramic vision of the game; the ability to spot an opening before anyone else then carry that idea out to execution, be it through a key pass or by making a run that invites a team mate to find him in turn. It's the kind of vision that United have lacked in midfield in the absence of a peak-years Paul Scholes, and that has cost them in European competition in particular in recent seasons. Best of all, he is hugely motivated, clearly spurned by what he sees as a lack of faith from Barcelona. The only thing more dangerous than a world class footballer is an angry world class footballer, and Moyes could harness that to deadly effect.

    Like the £1.2m United paid for Cantona, in a modern context, €18m (£15.3m) for Thiago is an absolute steal. Like Leeds with the Frenchman, Barcelona will likely regret letting him go. In fact, they desperately don't want to, but have little say in the matter should his buyout clause be met, with the final decision falling to the player. Momentum is gathering, and the wheels appear to be in motion for the move to happen. David De Gea certainly seems to think it will. All that remains is for United supporters to prepare themselves for a truly spectacular footballer. One who could help to define the David Moyes era. If, as now looks likely, the move comes to fruition, in due time, United's followers will all be asking themselves 'Cesc who'?
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    (Original post by Brainiac)
    Thats not neccessarily true, where i thought we looked really good this season was in the 2 away games against city and chelsea- where we played as you've suggested with two strict wingers. However at home against stoke we played with a 4-4-2 with a diamond in midfield, and in that game welbeck/rooney/rvp all alternated, i seem to remember rvp crossing for a rooney header. Against norwich kagawa and rooney interchanged a lot scoring 4 goals between them. Another performace i enjoyed was the 4-4-2 (diamond in midfield) away at newcastle where kagawa and cleverley were the left and right cm if that makes sense. thought we played really well that game with lots of inter changing of players.
    In summary we have the depth to choose the system and then fit the players to the system.
    Well, forgive me for being too generic. We don't play the same formation every game versus every team, of course not, that'd be suicide. And I'm not suggesting the formation I said doesn't work either; we won the league, comfortably.

    I was just talking about how Kagawa works best, and one of the formations we commonly play - because it suits our players - doesn't bring the best out of him. That formation will see him with a role coming from the left, but obviously he's a good footballer and can still do great there. It's the same if you put Rooney there, as has happened lots over the years. He's done really well in some games, but we're not getting the best out of him.
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    (Original post by Brainiac)
    i think hes right footed.

    What style do people think moyes will play and formation? He hasn't had the depth of squad to be tactically diverse- will be interesting to see. Although saying that, he did play with a back 3 a couple of times this season.
    moyes isn't going to play a 3 at the back i don't think, united have too many left backs and right backs plus he just bought a new right back to strengthen that position
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    (Original post by Malevolent)
    Hes very strong with both. I've not been able to figure that one out because I swear hes scored more with his left foot but seems to dribble more with his right. Could be "two-footed" :beard:
    He´s right footed, but you could call him two footed. He´s very good at passing dribbling and controlling the ball with both feet. His shot isn´t exceptional with either foot... so yeah two footed.
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    (Original post by Catilina)
    He´s right footed, but you could call him two footed. He´s very good at passing dribbling and controlling the ball with both feet. His shot isn´t exceptional with either foot... so yeah two footed.
    I think if you've got any chance of becoming a proffessional footballer, you've got to be able to pass the ball with both feet. Your point is null.
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    (Original post by ledleyking123)
    If arsenal are
    Willing to pay a lot I would get rid of Rooney. Where's he going to
    Play when we have thiago anyway.
    Doubt Wenger is stupid enough to buy Rooney...
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    Adnan is a transfer target for both Juve and Barca, we need to get his contract extended and not let him go, as well assure him and Powell more playing time in the squad as well with Thiago, what does everyone think about Anderson and Cleverly, I think if we are to promote the youngsters one may have to leave to keep everyone satisfied.

    Adnan's agent
    "We know Adnan is on the list of many clubs," Devriese revealed. "Including Juventus and Barcelona. It's no surprise that other teams are interested but Sir Alex told Adnan a few weeks ago that he can play in three different positions in midfield. They have worked hard on his weak points.

    "We'll talk about a new contract in a month - his current one is expiring in 2014. Sir Alex's retirement has delayed the negotiations but, if everything goes well, Adnan will stay a few years longer at Old Trafford. The club rewarded him with a squad number and he will be part of the first-team squad next season."
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    for any statisitics fiends out there.

    http://thebubblegame.wordpress.com/2...hester-united/
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    From The Guardian - not sounding quite so positive
 
 
 
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