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    (Original post by 419)
    Tbf, Fergie is the messiah.

    How can a squad whose main defenders, midfielders, and strikers are 30+ be considered young? Pretty sure your average age will come around 25-27. That's such an Arsenal line. We've trademarked that :smug:

    Is that post from Redcafe?
    he's good, but he's not "that" good imo, nobody can take a team as bad as people think we are to the title by 11 points, it's just impossible.

    De Gea, Jones, Evans, Smalling, Rafael, Fabio, Buttner, Zaha, Anderson, Cleverely, Rooney, Hernandez, Wellbeck...none of them are over 28.

    posted it to a few places.
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    Fair points, but Chelsea and City underperformed a lot last season.

    We'll see how things go this time around.
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    (Original post by NathanW18)
    Fair points, but Chelsea and City underperformed a lot last season.

    We'll see how things go this time around.
    Chelsea I would agree with but they didn't underperform by 14 points worth, Benitez isn't a mug...(much as it pains me to admit that )

    City had Mancini as manager who has a vastly superior record in every way to Pelligrini yet finished 11 points behind as well...
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    (Original post by 419)
    Tbf, Fergie is the messiah.

    How can a squad whose main defenders, midfielders, and strikers are 30+ be considered young? Pretty sure your average age will come around 25-27. That's such an Arsenal line. We've trademarked that :smug:

    Is that post from Redcafe?
    Which is young...

    27 - 28 is about average, 26 and below young. It's often said that 27 is the "ideal" average age - that mix of youth and experience.
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    (Original post by SciFiRory)
    Chelsea I would agree with but they didn't underperform by 14 points worth, Benitez isn't a mug...(much as it pains me to admit that )

    City had Mancini as manager who has a vastly superior record in every way to Pelligrini yet finished 11 points behind as well...
    We lost to QPR at home and managed to let southampton come back from 2-0 down, same goes for reading. All 3 of those games were unacceptable. I could understand losing to southampton away, but being 2-0 up against them at home and not winning is pathetic. That's clearly an underacheivement considering they were all must win games.

    That would also be 82 points. Which while it's not a great challenge does sound better than being 14 points away from united.

    The run at the end of the season was great, but had he'd done that a few weeks earlier we'd have made second place comfortably.
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    (Original post by River85)
    Which is young...

    27 - 28 is about average, 26 and below young. It's often said that 27 is the "ideal" average age - that mix of youth and experience.
    Tbh there's a good mix, united's age isn't as young as people make it out to be. I think vidic and ferdinand are the main CB pairing when fit, evra first choice, carrick first choice and rooney+RVP first choice most likely if rooney stays. That's 4 people in the first 11 over 30, and 2 players who are getting to 30 years old now.

    It's just offsetted by you guys integrating young players such as rafael, DDG, cleverley (just about fits), and kagawa which makes the age lower. I'd say it's a good mix of youth and experience, considering that the squad players or rotation options are all pretty young so make up for a first 11 that's ageing.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    We lost to QPR at home and managed to let southampton come back from 2-0 down, same goes for reading. All 3 of those games were unacceptable. I could understand losing to southampton away, but being 2-0 up against them at home and not winning is pathetic. That's clearly an underacheivement considering they were all must win games.

    The run at the end of the season was great, but had he'd done that a few weeks earlier we'd have made second place comfortably.
    even those 3 games don't make up 14 points...and that's presupposing we didn't "underperform" in any games (which we did)

    I actually think you will be bigger challengers to us than City this season, I don't go along with the "Pelligrini is God" dogma of the media and some football fans at all, I also don't rate most of their signings either, you at least have a manager who has a lot of clout, if you get a good CF then I will be a lot more worried though.
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    (Original post by River85)
    Which is young...

    27 - 28 is about average, 26 and below young. It's often said that 27 is the "ideal" average age - that mix of youth and experience.
    Oh come on, 25 is not young. By that token, you consider Johnny Evans a youngster.
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    (Original post by SciFiRory)
    Chelsea I would agree with but they didn't underperform by 14 points worth, Benitez isn't a mug...(much as it pains me to admit that )

    City had Mancini as manager who has a vastly superior record in every way to Pelligrini yet finished 11 points behind as well...
    I agree with your points. I don't know what to think about City, but Chelsea will be great this year. If we don't win, they will.

    I also like the balance of youth and experience in our team. We have both everywhere on the pitch. I don't think our team is young, because half of the first teamers are 30+, but the balance within the squad is good.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Oh come on, 25 is not young. By that token, you consider Johnny Evans a youngster.
    in football it is quite young actually, the consensus is generally that players "peak" between 26-32 in most positions, so if you are 25 you probably aren't at your peak just yet.

    most players will play till at least 34 nowadays as well, so at 25 you still have probably a decade in you.
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    (Original post by SciFiRory)
    even those 3 games don't make up 14 points...and that's presupposing we didn't "underperform" in any games (which we did)

    I actually think you will be bigger challengers to us than City this season, I don't go along with the "Pelligrini is God" dogma of the media and some football fans at all, I also don't rate most of their signings either, you at least have a manager who has a lot of clout, if you get a good CF then I will be a lot more worried though.
    I know, I edited my post. I agree that you did underperform in some games and by the end of the season when you tailed off a little you'd won the title already. But 82 points isn't a bad tally, I said a lot of times why I never expected a title last season but around the 75-85 mark.

    We revamped the whole team and changed the style of play which takes time with the transition, hence why we had poor inconsistent seasons in the league but did good in the cups. But bar that we did well.

    Pellegrini is a great manager tbh. I know he's not won trophies like moyes but if you compare the situations pellegrini did amazingly well. Coming above barca in the league in 08, getting to a CL semi final with villareal, getting a record points total with real madrid, getting a malaga side with financial problems 1 min away from a CL semi final. I think by that he's more proven than moyes, although there are a couple of question marks.

    The signings seem pretty good tbh. I suggest you watch fernandinho especially. Negredo got 25 goals last season, jovetic got 15 in Serie A as a second striker/winger and navas offers another dimension, a problem with city's play was the lack of width and they've got that option now. I'd say that they've almost perfected their team and got rid of the ego's of mancini/hughes era, all they need to do is just gel.
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    (Original post by SciFiRory)
    in football it is quite young actually, the consensus is generally that players "peak" between 26-32 in most positions, so if you are 25 you probably aren't at your peak just yet.

    most players will play till at least 34 nowadays as well, so at 25 you still have probably a decade in you.
    No it isn't. In golf when players peak at 70s maybe. But in football when many players start playing at 17; no way is 25 young.

    Is Johnny Evans a youngster?
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    (Original post by 419)
    Oh come on, 25 is not young. By that token, you consider Johnny Evans a youngster.
    I though we were talking about the average age of a squad, not individual players. If a squad's average age is 25 then, yes, this is certainly a young squad. A squad whose average age is 27, the upper limit you gave, is still average and not "old".

    But for an individual player it's still pre-peak, so relatively young.

    As a 28 year old I hope it's still considered relatively young for anyone

    (Original post by jam277)
    Tbh there's a good mix, united's age isn't as young as people make it out to be. I think vidic and ferdinand are the main CB pairing when fit, evra first choice, carrick first choice and rooney+RVP first choice most likely if rooney stays. That's 4 people in the first 11 over 30, and 2 players who are getting to 30 years old now.

    It's just offsetted by you guys integrating young players such as rafael, DDG, cleverley (just about fits), and kagawa which makes the age lower. I'd say it's a good mix of youth and experience, considering that the squad players or rotation options are all pretty young so make up for a first 11 that's ageing.
    It's often always been the same. Even in 1995, when we sold Hughes, Ince and Kanchelskis (which brought the average age down) and Hansen's, "you won't win anything with kids" remark. There was still Bruce, Pallister, Irwin and Schmeichel - so three of the back four and GK, who were in their 30s. Well, Irwin turned 30 fairly early in the season.

    Mixture of young players in their teens and early 20s, with players in their 30s. Perhaps not quite as many players in their mid to late 20s as other teams.
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    (Original post by 419)
    No it isn't. In golf when players peak at 70s maybe. But in football when many players start playing at 17; no way is 25 young.

    Is Johnny Evans a youngster?
    well that just shows you know exactly nill about Golf or Football tbh, even by your own logic that would make 25 the middle of a players career which is generally quite young.

    relatively speaking yes, though I was thinking primarily of other players like De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Zaha, Wellbeck etc...though I suppose if you think golfers peak in their 70's then such nuance of any post is far beyond you.
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    (Original post by River85)
    I though we were talking about the average age of a squad, not individual players. If a squad's average age is 25 then, yes, this is certainly a young squad. A squad whose average age is 27, the upper limit you gave, is still average and not "old".
    Sorry, didn't read your post properly.

    I still wouldn't consider anything above 23 in terms squad as young. The term is used loosely. As Jam showed, 4 of the first name on the teamsheet are 30+, 2 are 27+, not to mention Giggs who will play more games than many of the rest. I wouldn't say United have a young squad however you want classify what makes a squad young. More of a squad that's got that mixture.
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    (Original post by SciFiRory)
    well that just shows you know exactly nill about Golf or Football tbh, even by your own logic that would make 25 the middle of a players career which is generally quite young.

    relatively speaking yes, though I was thinking primarily of other players like De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Zaha, Wellbeck etc...though I suppose if you think golfers peak in their 70's then such nuance of any post is far beyond you.
    You need to turn that sarcasm detection on.

    25 isn't young in football can't believe how this isn't obvious.

    But tbh, enjoy your myopia if you think that United have a young squad when the players that will have the biggest say on how your season pans outs are 30+. Don't really care tbfh.
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    (Original post by SciFiRory)
    no he doesn't. he's not fit half the time and when he is his attitude is ****e, if he weren't English people wouldn't rate him half as much, he reminds me a bit of Anderson, glimpses of brilliance, but all too often unfit/injured.
    Who's better then WIlshere in your midfield, other then Carrick? :eyebrow:
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    This whole who's young and who's not doesn't make much sense tbh. It depends on their position in the team and their attributes/style of play.

    Take for example maldini, who relied mainly on his reading of the game, he was a great left back but you saw him moved to centre back for this reason, as he lost his pace, he still had great reading of the game to play at left back, but his age didn't affect his game and was a world class player till the age of 40. Similar thing for didier drogba, who relies on his brute strength and off the ball movement, which doesn't wane as much as pace and stamina does in their latter years. With lampard/scholes, they rely/relied on their reading of the game and technique again, which doesn't decrease with age, they eventually went into deep lying positions to prevent them from running too much. So in that case you'd use them regularly and they'd still do the job or similar to what they did 10 years ago.

    That's why I believe that age of a squad can be irrelevant. It also depends on your style of play, chelsea e.g. won the CL with an ageing team because they had a couple runners like ramires, meireles and played deep counter attacking football hoofing it to drogba. Or when they won the double in 2010 they had a lot of top class midfielders to pack the midfield, despite their age the tactics suited their old ages and they won it.

    You can use such players in a system which can make their ages irrelevant, especially since defensive, midfield and attacking partnerships also are more vital than the age of the individuals in a team, or even the age of the team.
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    (Original post by Deshi)
    Who's better then WIlshere in your midfield, other then Carrick? :eyebrow:
    Cleverely is about the same level, Giggs maybe not anymore but makes up for it with experience.

    Anderson when fit/on form is as well.

    Fletcher is unlikely to play again sadly but at his best he is as well imo.

    our main issue with the midfield is lacking someone who is fit to play alongside Carrick in most games, last season we struggled at times there because Cleverley/Ando/Fletcher were injured and Giggs/Scholes also were injured or just not fit enough to be at the level they needed to be, which meant playing Jones there who isn't as good there as he is in defence.

    Wilshere shows glimpses of being better than he is now, but they are far less frequent than the games he misses with injury (or suspension for that matter ), I don't really see how he right now does anything other than give us another option like those we have now.

    we need a midfielder or two who can stay fit and play well alongside Carrick, but Wilshere just adds to the same kind of players we have now so I don't really see the point.
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    LMAO at Cleverley being on the same level as Wilshere. This is pure comedy gold.

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