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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Oh no, I agree, atm Tottenham do have a better team than Arsenal, it's definitely the lack of play time that was the reason why we won.

    Arsenal certainly aren't the team to beat. It's gonna be close between the top 5 teams, United certainly aren't amongst them atm, at least not until you sign a good midfielder, who can create chances (Fellaini isn't him)
    Our strikeforce is the best in the league(RVP, Rooney, Hernandez, name me any team with 2 20+goals a season strikers who can score and create and another 10+ poacher) and with Rio, Vidic and Evra and De Gea in goal we have a very solid defence(and Evans and Rafael showed their worth last season as well). Only issue is central midfield and if we get Hererra and Felliani that will add steel and the ability to keep possession to the creativity of Kagawa, Nani and Valencia, the deep lying play of Carrick and the industry of Cleverley.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    So who would you compare Ozil to in the United squad? Who creates the chances at united?
    Since you clearly know what you're doing, and you know who plays in ozils position at united as it's been said quite a few times in this thread if you read and you're clearly a troll who will just say ozil>whoever I say is the answer
    (Original post by Mr_Vain)
    Real club (Utd) vs Vulgar plastic club (City)

    I would even prefer Liverpool (God forbid) to win the league rather than City.
    Since you clearly know what you're doing, and are trying to argue for the sake of arguing with bull**** points while deflecting my answer because you know you're wrong too
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    (Original post by ManL_Olu)
    LOOL what ?? Once herrera comes we will have midfiels stability as he is a box to box midfielder and felleni will bring us another threat! ... Arsenal will not compete for the title as there defence isnt as good . They ddnt need another AM ! Liverpool / arsenal/ spurs will compete for 4th ... Once Lamela and eriksen click they will be the nglish gotze and reus
    Doing well last season doesn't guarantee success this season.

    Herrera is looking quite unlikely atm, due to travel problems (i.e. hes on the other side of the world).

    From the display yesterday (and all last week) I'd say Arsenal are fairly solid at the back.

    Chelsea and City to fight for the title, possibly with Spurs if Eriksen and Lamela come good, and possibly Arsenal and Liverpool close behind (with or without United).

    Ruling out united may be foolish of me, but it's gonna be very close this year, all the top teams seem to be faltering
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    (Original post by ManL_Olu)
    LOOL what ?? Once herrera comes we will have midfiels stability as he is a box to box midfielder and felleni will bring us another threat! ... Arsenal will not compete for the title as there defence isnt as good . They ddnt need another AM ! Liverpool / arsenal/ spurs will compete for 4th ... Once Lamela and eriksen click they will be the nglish gotze and reus
    Arsenal had a better defensive record that Utd last season.
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    (Original post by ish90an)
    Our strikeforce is the best in the league(RVP, Rooney, Hernandez, name me any team with 2 20+goals a season strikers who can score and create and another 10+ poacher) and with Rio, Vidic and Evra and De Gea in goal we have a very solid defence(and Evans and Rafael showed their worth last season as well). Only issue is central midfield and if we get Hererra and Felliani that will add steel and the ability to keep possession to the creativity of Kagawa, Nani and Valencia, the deep lying play of Carrick and the industry of Cleverley.
    Don't agree on the strikeforce side. Aguero, Jovetic, Negredo to name three (and Dzeko as sub), with Navas, Yaya and Silva giving the chances. You can't deny that is a better strike force.

    Rio and Vidic are getting old, past their prime, so won't be able to play every game, Evra is pretty solid I agree, but De Gea has his moments too.

    If you sign two midfielders you have a shot, but until then, I can't see any title
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    Arsenal fans here again? Boom bust cycle is well under way. I guess things may start to slow down around Jan-Feb time.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Arsenal had a better defensive record that Utd last season.
    Shhh, don't tell them the facts, they'll brandish you as a troll!
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    I think the reason why (most) Utd fans are panicking at the moment is because Moyes comes with absolutely no record. I think if it was a Guardiola/Murinho etc I don't think we'd be as worried. I just think we're all scared will fall into the zone of mediocrity (a good chance of that happening in a few years)
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    (Original post by Over2you)
    add to the fact that he's only 24...I honestly could see him on the wing, coming in. After today, i think i'll be too upset to talk about football.

    one thing i've learnt in life is that complacency kills. The reasoning Moyes gives to hardly chasing players this summer is that "we've already got a strong squad." Bayern had a strong squad - strengthened. PSG, RM, Barca, City etc. Why does this idiot think we can just coast again with pretty much the same squad. **** Fellani, i don't want the guy
    Nice to see a United fan with sense! Ozil being 24 is arguably the most exciting part, he could play in any attacking position (other than striker).

    All we need now is Di Maria and I think we'll be sorted
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    (Original post by NathanW18)
    Arsenal fans here again? Boom bust cycle is well under way. I guess things may start to slow down around Jan-Feb time.
    Yet when I say this is what happens all the time on their thread I get berated for it...
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    United fans aren't panicking. We've had much worse starts than this against much easier fixtures. We're one midfielder away from being completely comfortable with our squad, the same squad that tore apart the Premier League last season.
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    (Original post by Over2you)
    I think the reason why (most) Utd fans are panicking at the moment is because Moyes comes with absolutely no record. I think if it was a Guardiola/Murinho etc I don't think we'd be as worried. I just think we're all scared will fall into the zone of mediocrity (a good chance of that happening in a few years)
    I think Moyes was an unwise choice, he did well at Everton, a smaller club with less funds/ reputation/ press and isn't living up to the hype.

    It could turn out like Roy Hodgson, great at Fulham, bad at Liverpool where the expectation was huge.
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    (Original post by Kenan and Kel)
    United fans aren't panicking. We've had much worse starts than this against much easier fixtures. We're one midfielder away from being completely comfortable with our squad, the same squad that tore apart the Premier League last season.
    The same set up -Fergie, who as much as I disliked over the years, was the catalyst to your success last year
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    (Original post by Over2you)
    I think the reason why (most) Utd fans are panicking at the moment is because Moyes comes with absolutely no record. I think if it was a Guardiola/Murinho etc I don't think we'd be as worried. I just think we're all scared will fall into the zone of mediocrity (a good chance of that happening in a few years)
    Manchester United becoming a mediocre team?
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Nice to see a United fan with sense! Ozil being 24 is arguably the most exciting part, he could play in any attacking position (other than striker).

    All we need now is Di Maria and I think we'll be sorted
    Haha, yes, I'm sure you'll get the best years of his career.

    Don't cry if after two trophyless seasons at Arsenal, he's angling away for a move to Bayern Munich.

    For him to go from one of the top 2 teams in Spain to the 4/5 team in England can only mean one thing. He never had a better offer, odds are he'll have one eye on the exit door if your trophy less spell continues.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Don't agree on the strikeforce side. Aguero, Jovetic, Negredo to name three (and Dzeko as sub), with Navas, Yaya and Silva giving the chances. You can't deny that is a better strike force.
    Aguero and maybe Negredo(hasn't played enough in PL to be judged yet IMHO) are good(former being one certainly on par with Rooney), but Jovetic hasn't even played a game this season and Dzeko wants to but isn't good enough to start. Silva was a shadow of a player last season and Pellegrini seems to play Yaya deeper than Mancini did.
    Rio and Vidic are getting old, past their prime, so won't be able to play every game, Evra is pretty solid I agree, but De Gea has his moments too.
    Rio and Vidic's play last season didn't indicate them being past their prime.
    Evans was very solid last year with Rio and Smalling and Jones should also give cover if needed. De Gea is better than Joe "best in the world TM" Hart, Lloris and Szczesny and in the league only Cech and maybe Begovic are better, he can make top saves, distribute well, comfortable with the ball and has come a long way on handling the physical side of dealing with corners.
    If you sign two midfielders you have a shot, but until then, I can't see any title
    We do need to sign Hererra I think, Felliani alone isn't enough to make us favourites for league. But regardless even without a signing we're ahead of Spurs and Arsenal; this isn't Fifa 13 and we are too early in the season to be written off.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Yet when I say this is what happens all the time on their thread I get berated for it...
    They're a hilarious bunch. They do this every season. They tend to start well and start talking **** to everyone else. Then things finally dawn on them that their team isn't as good as they thought it was. There were just complaints 2 weeks ago about not having enough players. They've brought in Flamini. Probably Ozil, too, if that goes through. Ozil is a very good player, but is he enough to turn them into contenders? They still haven't bought a new goalkeeper or striker.
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    (Original post by ish90an)
    Aguero and maybe Negredo(hasn't played enough in PL to be judged yet IMHO) are good(former being one certainly on par with Rooney), but Jovetic hasn't even played a game this season and Dzeko wants to but isn't good enough to start. Silva was a shadow of a player last season and Pellegrini seems to play Yaya deeper than Mancini did.

    Rio and Vidic's play last season didn't indicate them being past their prime.
    Evans was very solid last year with Rio and Smalling and Jones should also give cover if needed. De Gea is better than Joe "best in the world TM" Hart, Lloris and Szczesny and in the league only Cech and maybe Begovic are better, he can make top saves, distribute well, comfortable with the ball and has come a long way on handling the physical side of dealing with corners.

    We do need to sign Hererra I think, Felliani alone isn't enough to make us favourites for league. But regardless even without a signing we're ahead of Spurs and Arsenal; this isn't Fifa 13 and we are too early in the season to be written off.
    Bit of a TSR rook so don't know how to break up the text :P
    I agree the adjustment in tactics at City could be destructive, but, then again, United have also only been playing with 2 strikers, Hernandez hardly gets a start.

    Vidic may still have a few years left, but Rio is certainly near the end (isn't that why that prick couldn't play for England?)

    De Gea is no where near Lloris, I'm sorry, but Lloris is a classy keeper. Hart seems off atm, but on their days I would still choose Hart.

    You say United can't be written off, whilst at the same time, preceding to write Arsenal off? Funny tactic but there you go
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Herrera is looking quite unlikely atm, due to travel problems (i.e. hes on the other side of the world).
    I disagree, look at Ozil, he is getting his medical in Germany, i wouldn't rule Herrera off the board just yet.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    De Gea is no where near Lloris, I'm sorry, but Lloris is a classy keeper. Hart seems off atm, but on their days I would still choose Hart.
    This is how I know you're trolling. Hart has been in horrible form over a year. De Gea was one of our best players last season. He has been far better than Hart. If you would choose Hart, you don't watch United and City games.
 
 
 
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