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C3 Differentiation

I worked out this question just fine all the way through until the last part, when subbing in the value x = 4, why do they disregard the negative solution of root 9? Would I be wrong in giving the answer +/- 13 instead of just positive 13 for this question? I can't think of any way you would just 'know' to not use -3 as the root of 9.

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If you had to work it out at the point (4, 36) then there is no need to sub in the other value, but I can't give a proper answer as I don't know what the question is asking you to do. What is the question?

This was a stupid post, I didn't read the question properly.
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Reply 2
91/2=139^{-1/2}=\frac{1}{3} not ±13\pm \frac{1}{3}
Reply 3
Original post by BabyMaths
91/2=139^{-1/2}=\frac{1}{3} not ±13\pm \frac{1}{3}

Since when? I'm really confused now.
Reply 4
Original post by claret_n_blue
If you had to work it out at the point (4, 36) then there is no need to sub in the other value, but I can't give a proper answer as I don't know what the question is asking you to do. What is the question?

The question and a large part of the solution are attached to the original post.
Reply 5
Original post by Ronove
Since when? I'm really confused now.


Can't blame you there. Plenty of teachers seem to think that 4=±2\sqrt{4}=\pm 2. It doesn't.
Reply 6
Original post by BabyMaths
91/2=139^{-1/2}=\frac{1}{3} not ±13\pm \frac{1}{3}

Since you said this (which shook my understanding to the core by the way :tongue:) I found this page http://gmatclub.com/forum/square-root-always-positive-114114.html which has blown my mind. Thanks for the response, haha!
Reply 7
Original post by BabyMaths
Can't blame you there. Plenty of teachers seem to think that 4=±2\sqrt{4}=\pm 2. It doesn't.

Well I am my own teacher, haven't had a maths teacher since doing my GCSEs in 2004! I have no idea how I would ever have found this out without you saying it. :tongue:
Original post by Ronove
Well I am my own teacher, haven't had a maths teacher since doing my GCSEs in 2004! I have no idea how I would ever have found this out without you saying it. :tongue:


To clarify if you are asked to solve x2=4x^2=4 you write down x=±2x = \pm 2.

If you are asked to evaluate 4\sqrt 4 then the answer is 22.
Original post by BabyMaths
Can't blame you there. Plenty of teachers seem to think that 4=±2\sqrt{4}=\pm 2. It doesn't.


Woah! What?
Reply 10
Original post by Mr M
To clarify if you are asked to solve x2=4x^2=4 you write down x=±2x = \pm 2.

If you are asked to evaluate 4\sqrt 4 then the answer is 22.

Thank you! :h:
Original post by claret_n_blue
Woah! What?


What?
Original post by TenOfThem
What?


Why is it just 2?

Or is this just for exams, in real life it still plus or minus 2 isn't it?
Reply 13
Couple of long threads on the maths teachers forum at TES explain why students aren't clear on this.


http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/p/623065/7840374.aspx#7840374

http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/p/535448/7132713.aspx#7132713
Original post by claret_n_blue
Why is it just 2?

Or is this just for exams, in real life it still plus or minus 2 isn't it?


No

It never has been

-2 squared does still =4

But the square root of 4 is 2
Reply 15
Original post by claret_n_blue
Why is it just 2?

Or is this just for exams, in real life it still plus or minus 2 isn't it?



±4=±2\pm \sqrt{4}=\pm 2

4=2 \sqrt{4}= 2
Reply 16
Original post by claret_n_blue
Why is it just 2?

Or is this just for exams, in real life it still plus or minus 2 isn't it?


No. The square root of x is defined to be the POSITIVE number y which satisfies y^2=x
Original post by TenOfThem

-2 squared does still =4

But the square root of 4 is 2


Why? How can you not go back the other way?

Original post by james22
No. The square root of x is defined to be the POSITIVE number y which satisfies y^2=x


No, I thought the definition was the number which when multiplied by itself gives your original number. This doesn't matter if its positive or negative as (-y)*(-y) = y * y
Original post by claret_n_blue
No, I thought the definition was the number which when multiplied by itself gives your original number. This doesn't matter if its positive or negative as (-y)*(-y) = y * y


You thought wrong then.

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